I would love to see Pogba do the gegenpressing carthorse work that Wijnaldum, Milner or Henderson does for the team 
Paul Pogba / turned down United offer of 300k as “nothing”
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Raiola is such a whore
This is a non starter, but just for the sake of it; Think our best paid players make 200k pw. There’s is no scenario where we sign Pogba and pay him double that or even close to it. And while he fits the bill of the kind of player I’d like to add to our midfield, I could never see him and Klopp working together.
this is so obvious.. desperate attempt to get more money be threatening to go to a rival.. Cheslea would have made more sense..
No one is buying the Liverpool link.. imagine Pogba trying to "gegenpress"
No one is buying the Liverpool link.. imagine Pogba trying to "gegenpress"
United used your exact same logic to offer contracts to Jones, Rojo and Bailly. Pay stupid money to players who aren’t good enough as even squad players, to only get surprised that it became impossible to sell them.
If we do that with Lingard, we are going to get stuck with him till the end of his contract.
I don't like Raiola as much as the next guy but this idea that he's acting out on his own is fanciful.
He's carrying out the wishes of the player. If Pogba took issue with how Raiola conducts himself, all of this would've been shut down years ago, Pogba would've signed a new deal and changed agents.
He's carrying out the wishes of the player. If Pogba took issue with how Raiola conducts himself, all of this would've been shut down years ago, Pogba would've signed a new deal and changed agents.
Is anyone disputing that at this point? He works for Pogba, Pogba calls the shots.
he was offered to City back in 2018, now possibly Liverpool as well, laugable.
If the stall in contract talks is all about money, then I think we should cash in now. Another big contract for him won't stop this circus, which occurs every single transfer window.
He's not done much during his time here to justify another pay rise. I'm not doubting his quality, but it's so inconsistent and the baggage that's with him, it just feels like a massive chore.
He's not done much during his time here to justify another pay rise. I'm not doubting his quality, but it's so inconsistent and the baggage that's with him, it just feels like a massive chore.
feck me that’s some spin. Why the feck would some players just randomly big up a teammate when not even questioned about him? Who the feck do you think is “forcing” them?
It does seem vanishingly unlikely. Raiola will also be looking for a mega signing fee for bringing Pogba on a free transfer to wherever he ends up (I think he personally made €20m off the Donnarumma deal).
There are plenty saying we should never buy a Raiola player again. As I say, I don't like him, but the implication that it's driven by him is wrong.
It was never driven by Raiola unilaterally. At the very least, PP consents to it. Worst case, he instigates it.
Regardless of whether these shenanigans are driven by Pogba or not, we should never buy a Raiola player again. It's never good news with Raiola once the player has joined your team.
If Pogba wants over £400k a week, he and his agent can do one. If no club is willing to pay £50-60 million this summer, United should let him leave for free next summer. It's more important that we keep our wage structure under control, just look what's happening at Barca. Maguire and Bruno, our two most important players, should be paid the most in our squad. If we start handing silly money out to Pogba, it will create all sorts of problems in the squad.
not too hard to work that one mate, use your brain ffs.feck me that’s some spin. Why the feck would some players just randomly big up a teammate when not even questioned about him? Who the feck do you think is “forcing” them?
I can't help but feel some will change their tune if there's a big striker shaped hole in our team next year and Haaland is attainable.
£60m and he’s all yours dippers. Will drive him to YAWN stadium myself.
Liverpool can't afford him nor does he suit them. But I wouldn't put it fast the cuntface to try even this.You'd like to think United have been aware Pogba might want to leave when his contract expires for the last 2 seasons...and have planned accordingly.
"Anyone of that quality" - Check
"Doesn't always do it" - Check
"Change our playing style to unlock him" - Check
"Get him a partner to bring about his good qualities" - Check
Yes, I think we are talking about Paul Pogba.
Sure we could make an exception for Haaland, but you know Raiola will be plotting Haaland's next move already even before he signs on the dotted line.
I wouldn't bank on more than a year or two of Haaland's service if he comes. Depends on what clauses Raiola wants in the contract. If there is a low fee release clause, he's gone even before he starts.
Please let him sign for Pool
Just to see Souness's head literally blow up would be great
But seriously, Pogba's career is fecking tainted having that sh*t stain of a man as his agent, Pogba is a massive brand, massive player, he doesn't need Raiola, he could have bob from Salford Quays manage him and would still get great contracts and pretty much his selection of clubs that he wants, Haaland needs to du a Lukaku and cut that virus off asap before it's too late
Just to see Souness's head literally blow up would be great
But seriously, Pogba's career is fecking tainted having that sh*t stain of a man as his agent, Pogba is a massive brand, massive player, he doesn't need Raiola, he could have bob from Salford Quays manage him and would still get great contracts and pretty much his selection of clubs that he wants, Haaland needs to du a Lukaku and cut that virus off asap before it's too late
You make exceptions for exceptional players. Haaland looks like such a player.
I thought we made exceptions for PP too. Its not like people didn't know Raiola when we signed PP. It just turns out PP is not as exceptional as we thought he was.
I think Pogba might get some of that pot. I don't believe that the agent fees only go to the agent, especially when you're looking at the crazy money someone like Raiola demands.
Yes give Liverpoold the virus, that would be great to watch
It would make even less sense than the Thiago signing.
Clearly an attempt to stir other suitors into action and try to force Utd's hand into offering a bigger deal.
Personally I could care less if Pogba leaves. He's a good player, but for all his talents you still have to figure out ways to shoe horn him into the team where he won't be a massive liability. He's not worth the hassle or the money or the Raiola circus that comes with him.
And yes, someone keep an eye on this clown.
Agreed. Players must be getting in on that action, makes no sense why some high profile players keep Raiola around otherwise. They don't need him unless he was bringing in the dough.
Already taking pictures with P$G legends now I see...
Cannot see Pogba playing in a Klopp system. Not in a million years. His half arsed pressing would see him on the bench after 2 games.
Nope. feck it. Rough with the smooth, yes we may miss out on a great talent but let's just fire the fat feck off.
But that's my point. Raiola doesn't have such a hold over his clients that he dictates where and when they move. If he tried that without their consent they'd tell him to feck off and find someone else.
If he's plotting the next move already, that's because Haaland (or Pogba, or whoever) wants it too. He is just the guy facilitating it. I don't think that would be the case anyway, Haaland's previous move was different because of the stage he was at in his career. He needed a stepping stone club where he could develop, now he's a big fish.
Why would Raiola think that's a good negotiation tactic?
Confirms that Pogba is still considering to stay though.
Confirms that Pogba is still considering to stay though.
Nah feck that.
Still find it funny that people blame Mino for all this, innocent Paul. So disrespectful to United. Yes the owners haven't delivered to build a team since he came, but there are ways of doing things. Pogba wonders why fans have never really warmed to him at Old Trafford. This crap will be going on in a few months even if signs an insane contract.
Mate you're arguing that the fact that everyone says he's really good to have in the dressing room is actually evidence that he's a toxic presence in the dressing room. You're arguing like a conspiracy theorist and saying that evidence that he is good is actually evidence that he is bad. And then you're not even making an argument to support your point, you're just saying 'use your brain'.
You'd fail a critical thinking class. It's a bit rich that you'd tell others to use their brain, when you haven't even bothered to explain your own position.
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The thing is Haaland has already in his mind that he wants to be a player that gets to play in both the La Liga and the PL - so him coming here and being loyal to us even after a 200 million transfer fee isn't very realistic.
It's why players go for Raiola, because the players are able to get what they want.
As I have said before- having Raiola as your agent says something about you as a player. Pogba, Zlatan, Haaland, Lingard, Lukaku, Balotelli etc - there is something mouldy about the personality that I dont like about most of his clients.
He'll change his tune if he joins Liverpool and plays well for a few games, i'm sure.