Paulo Dybala

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  1. Aug 13, 2019

    Scroto Baggins Full Member

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    I think Spurs will be definitely after one of Fernandes, Coutinho, Dybala if Eriksen goes.
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    InLevyITrust Full Member

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    The PL is the only league, as far as I am aware, that doesn't allow commercial rights of a player to be owned by a third party. They may have to worry about the court case but even at that Dybala would be able to play through any ongoing case action.
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    GlastonSpur Also disliked on an Aston Villa forum

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    I don't think this is the case. It 3rd party ownership of the player in terms of transfers and transfer fee - that is prohibited by the Prem. Image rights are separate to this.
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    InLevyITrust Full Member

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    I still dont think the PL allow 3rd partner ownership while other leagues don't care? Could be wrong.
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    Dante Bang Average but can post Blindfolded for 15 secs

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    https://juventusera.com/rio-ferdinand-criticizes-paulo-dybala-for-snubbing-manchester-united/
    Rio's echoing what we've all been thinking.
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    kouroux 45k posts to finally achieve this tagline

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    Did Rio really use the word "audacity" ? That's too much no ?
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    Gasolin Full Member

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    That’s the right word to use for me.
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    kouroux 45k posts to finally achieve this tagline

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    Just because United came knocking doesn't mean it has to be automatic.
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    Gasolin Full Member

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    When the other option is a bench and you’re being pushed out anyway, yes, it should be an easy choice.
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    kouroux 45k posts to finally achieve this tagline

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    That's what I don't get, players can have so many other things in consideration than just football when making decision like this. We as fans, are way too simplistic in our thought process. That's what surprises when ex players come up with the simplistic stuff too.
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    devilish Juventus fan who used to support United

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    kambinks New Member

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    Even so i think that's a little too entitled of a stance to take. Juve was obviously trying to push him out and he decided to fight for his place. Its what we would've expected Lukaku and be applauded for it rather than sulking and leaving like he did. Shaw was left out due to injuries and iirc we even looked around for replacements but he fought his way for his current place.

    I agree that sitting on a bench is pretty shitty compared to being a first team player in United and playing regular games but personally I wouldn't blame him to fight for his place.
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    Bestietom Full Member

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    Thought his brother ( agent) was looking for 15million for himself.
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    Cassidy No longer at risk of being mistaken for a Scouser

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    Its quite likely that could have been resolved, the image rights however...
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    Infra-red Full Member

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    Ferdinand is still auditioning for the 'Technical Director' job, then.

    I really hope we find someone qualified.
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    SilentWitness ShoelessWitness Staff

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    Not really. Maybe he is settled in Italy. Going from Italy to Manchester is a big move for someone to make. Not only for themselves but when thinking about their family and friends or lifestyle. Footballers are humans too.
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    crossy1686 Full Member

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    Everything he said in that interview makes him more than qualified in my opinion.
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    Gasolin Full Member

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    Everyone keeps mentioning this but it's not different than a job for those guys.
    If in your job, they tell you you are no more wanted, but they don't want to fire you and give you any leave package, and you are going to be put aside, what would you do? Stay around?
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    devilish Juventus fan who used to support United

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    Nah, image rights were the real issue. Lets not kick the boy too much. FFS this might cost him his career.

    https://www.worldtrademarkreview.co...highlights-growing-importance-ip-sports-stars

    I think the real question should be. Why did we wasted time chasing a player who doesn't even own his own image rights? Didn't we do our homework?
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    devilish Juventus fan who used to support United

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    everyone is toeing in line now from Gaz to Rio. I guess they are sensing that they have a real chance of stopping ridiculing themselves on TV and return home
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    SilentWitness ShoelessWitness Staff

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    If i'm still getting paid (like Dybala is) then yes if there aren't any suitable opportunities for me at that time. Plenty of people stay in jobs they're not happy in until they find something else that they want to commit to. The same is for footballers. He still has time to leave in the European window or he can wait until January/next Summer. I respect someone who doesn't want to make rash decisions about their future when they don't need to.
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    Smores Full Member

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    Surely the type of player who doesn't want to fight for his spot in the team but instead jumps ship because its easier isn't the type we want either?

    The clubs spin on these seems to be 'we don't want players that reject us' as if that's a logical and worthy statement, somehow some fans are buying that.
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    GBBQ Full Member

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    Monchi, Zorc, Bergiristain and Overmars were all ex players who became successful directors of football at their clubs. I think its important to understand the club's history and pedigree and to be passionate about it. I like Ferdinand's punditry and I think he would work well with the likes of Butt, Solskjaer, Phelan etc. to identify the right type of players for United. I mean I think we did pretty well this summer even without a DOF.
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    charlenefan Far less insightful than the other Charley

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    Is Edu qualified to be the Arsenal Technical Director? What about Nedved at Juventus or VDS at Ajax (I realise neither of those are Technical Directors but they still have big roles at their clubs with little previous experience)

    Man Utd need to football people involved behind the scenes, football people who are passionate about Man Utd. I'd love to see the club give both Rio and Evra big roles at the club, I'd much rather them than the hipster names that were mentioned 12 months ago
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    Adam-Utd Part of first caf team to complete Destiny raid

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    Jeez I couldn't think of anything worse with Neville being involved. Anyway he wouldn't be able to with his stake in the other club i'm pretty sure.

    I personally liked the idea of Fletcher doing it. Rio would have the cool factor but that's not so important when dealing with agents etc.
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    Bestie07 Full Member

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    Maybe his image rights is the reason Juve want rid of him in the first place.
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    devilish Juventus fan who used to support United

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    I think we've got enough United's way influence already in Ole, Phelan and Butt. We need people who bring new ideas to the mix in the same way Carlos Queroz and Rene did during Sir Alex time
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    Adam-Utd Part of first caf team to complete Destiny raid

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    An outside influence can always help, but they all need to be thinking the same way otherwise it'll just cause problems. I hope this is why it's taking a while so we get the right man for the job.
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    I'd probably stay in Ireland, yeah. I can't just up and leave the country on two days notice.
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    R'hllor Full Member

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    We dont exactly how whole thing went, If he wants to join X club, he could ask HIS agent to drop agent fee a bit ( thats actually crazy and mental when you think about it ) and maybe drop his own wages a bit for image rights founding, dunno.

    Said before, when i think about his situation, thats just scary, if interested club cant make a deal with that 3rd party for image rights, you are stranded.
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    Evra doesn’t seem to be very professional as much as he was my favourite player during his time here. Too goofy on social media to be taken serious in an executive role.
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    Gasolin Full Member

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    I don't think the notice matters, it's the nature of the job to only have 2 transfer windows instead of being able to move at any time.
    But if your only option, with a pay increase, is somewhere else in the world, you will take it... if you don't, and prefer being sidelined at your job, than isn't this supposed to tell more about yourself?
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    Nick7 Full Member

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    Alright mate, yeah not leaving the country with a few days notice means they're shitty as people and not professional or whatever else it "tells" you about someone.

    God forbid people thinking differently than you about their own lives.
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    charlenefan Far less insightful than the other Charley

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    You ever seen the shit Trump has done on Social media and he's in charge of an entire country now :lol:

    Evra was a model pro when he was a player and I'm sure he'd be likewise in a behind the scenes role. Alas he's already ruled himself out of any role right now as he's enjoying raw eating chicken too much
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    Trophy Room Full Member

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    This whole saga did not feel right to me. You’re probably right too. You don’t get rid of a player like Dybala unless it made financial sense to do so.
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    Gasolin Full Member

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    Do you at least agree that when you are being told, probably in a disrespectful way, that you are no more wanted at your job, you would think of leaving, just as a matter of self esteem? Or is that also not a thing because however disrespectful the employer has been to you, the location matters more than anything and it was too short notice anyway?

    People are definitely entitled to think differently. However, they should also not be surprised by opinions about them others will potentially have when you see this kind of decisions.
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    JPRouve can't stop thinking about balls - NOT deflategate Scout

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    But he thought about it which is why he negotiated with all the clubs that made an offer, the issue isn't simply about being willing to move.
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    dabeast New Member

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    Dodged a bullet by not getting Dybala. A good left footed shot his most outstanding attribute, but he is too slow and too small to be playing in the PL. He is on the bench at Juve for a reason.
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    Gasolin Full Member

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    Yes, I don't deny that, I am sure his image rights and his brother / agent's fees were big in that list of obstacles.
    I just say that when Rio says it's audacious to prefer the bench at Juventus, or worst, to a United first team, it's totally understandable. The word was correctly chosen for me.
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    JPRouve can't stop thinking about balls - NOT deflategate Scout

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    The issue is that he doesn't prefer the bench at Juventus, that's in itself wrong. And it's audacious to make that statement when you know the context.