Pep - Doping (?) | Are PEDs being used by footballers

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This stuff is dangerous. It does enhance performance though. It does this by stimulating the part of the brain called Shatner's Bassoon. And that's the bit of the brain that deals with time perception. So, a second feels like a month. The players just have that much longer to make the right pass.
I had the second feeling like a month feeling before but, I was on something that was not exactly performance enhancing.
 

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Pep's Barca teams with pale faced Spanish midgets made our ridiculously athletic teams look like an under 16 side technically, tactically and physically.
 

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Listen I'm all for catching cheats but unless there's actual evidence that Pep is doing anything different than any other big club in every sport in the world then it's not really news.
 

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Doesn't matter if he's guilty or not.

city don't have fans. The downside for them is that nobody cares - and there's very little press coverage - when they win things, but the upside is that they get away with everything because nobody can make an example of a club nobody cares about.
You keep sucking on those lemons fella.

You can’t pick up a newspaper without reading column after column about this City side. You can’t listen to a football podcast without ten minutes being spent waxing lyrical about whether this is one of the greatest Premier League sides (far too early to tell in my opinion), there’s even half a dozen threads about City on here and they average 54,000 in a stadium with a capacity of 54,500.

The fact you’re commenting on a City thread shows you care.
 

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Holy shit

“In 2010 UEFA fined Barcelona €30,000 for failing to provide accurate details of their players’ whereabouts. When anti-doping officials arrived to take samples, the players were not present to be tested. Barcelona blamed a system failure for their inability to notify authorities of a change in their training schedule.“

Sound familiar?

Nobody’s ever going to catch them
because they know the system
too well and their doctors are just too good to ever get caught. WTF is a €30.000 Euro fine. Or a £50,000 fine in Man City’s case when Guardiola did it with them?
 

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You keep sucking on those lemons fella.

You can’t pick up a newspaper without reading column after column about this City side. You can’t listen to a football podcast without ten minutes being spent waxing lyrical about whether this is one of the greatest Premier League sides (far too early to tell in my opinion), there’s even half a dozen threads about City on here and they average 54,000 in a stadium with a capacity of 54,500.

The fact you’re commenting on a City thread shows you care.
I care about the Premier League. Unfortunately, every year that city win it, it scratches away a bit more prestige and legitimacy from this great league. At least if Arsenal or Liverpool won it, it would be a win for football and the integrity of our league.
 

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I care about the Premier League. Unfortunately, every year that city win it, it scratches away a bit more prestige and legitimacy from this great league. At least if Arsenal or Liverpool won it, it would be a win for football and the integrity of our league.
The League should give additional 10 points for clubs with low net spend, and additional 10 for proper clubs with rich history like United and Liverpool. How about that?
 

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I care about the Premier League. Unfortunately, every year that city win it, it scratches away a bit more prestige and legitimacy from this great league. At least if Arsenal or Liverpool won it, it would be a win for football and the integrity of our league.
Why didn’t you address any of his points?
 

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The League should give additional 10 points for clubs with low net spend, and additional 10 for proper clubs with rich history like United and Liverpool. How about that?
Sounds fair enough that. Where do I sign up? ;)
 

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Does this explain the size of that baby making machine Raheem Sterling he really seems to have bulked up lately and has insane new found energy and strength lol the little toe rag would love if they got caught using PED's but the media would still find a way to protect their darling Pep Just admit it lads we are bitter and let's hoe Jose and the team are so maybe just maybe we can use this feeling to make sure we end their domination next season. I fecking hate citeh
 

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Normally I'm quite keen to discuss doping use on here, and I'm very cynical about the subject in general. But in a context where there's an absurd Pep/City love affair mixed with a lot of petty frustration towards them going on, opening a thread like this is a bit too much imo. I'd say it's incredibly small time, actually.
I agree. Too much bias to objectively even consider it right now, as a United fan.

Also, physicality is just one thing. There is no doubt that Pep's teams are tactically superior to most of the sides they face, too.
 

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I assume they must have been doing all this last year and they were still crap so I’m not having it

The only “doping” going on at City is Financial, and since for now the media and football fans of the nation think it’s great that anyone but Utd are winning the league nobody is bothered

Give it a few years when PSG and City have turned French and English football into gloried SPLs and people will be crying out for some regulation
 

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The links are interesting but if it's genuinely true, I struggle to see how no other clubs would also be exploiting similar advantages. Or why none of them are kicking up a fuss about it.
 

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Really don't know if it's true but does bother me is how much faster, fitter, and more technical his teams look compared to anyone else. Other managers surely must be able to replicate what he does?
 

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Really don't know if it's true but does bother me is how much faster, fitter, and more technical his teams look compared to anyone else. Other managers surely must be able to replicate what he does?
They can't because they can't coach like him it's really simple. He also has the reputation so he can impose it.

He has the aura that makes his players run to the last man on the pitch.

The only player that has been above him ion terms of power in a club is Messi.
 
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They can't because they can't coach like him it's really simple. He also has the reputation so he can impose it.

He has the aura that makes his players run to the last man on the pitch.

The only player that has been above him ion terms of power in a club is Messi.
I really refuse to believe he’s some messiah of a coach with powers beyond anyone else. In my opinion, that style of football is the way it should be.
 

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I really refuse to believe he’s some messiah of a coach with powers beyond anyone else. In my opinion, that style of football is the way it should be.
Believe what you want. He has a style that he has imposed everywhere he has gone and his teams have all looked incredible in their 3rd season with him. All have identical playing styles.

No other coach can do what he does.
 

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I care about the Premier League. Unfortunately, every year that city win it, it scratches away a bit more prestige and legitimacy from this great league. At least if Arsenal or Liverpool won it, it would be a win for football and the integrity of our league.
Hahaha. That’s brilliant and makes me enjoy the current situation even more.

Keep going.

There’s a lot of excellent reds on here, you aren’t one of them.
 

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Hahaha. That’s brilliant and makes me enjoy the current situation even more.

Keep going.

There’s a lot of excellent reds on here, you aren’t one of them.
It’s true though, your club is seen as a bit of a joke in the footballing world. You pissed around in the lower divisions, occasionally getting into the premier league achieving the square root of sod all for many a year before oil money came in and bought a few titles. It could just as easily have been Everton, Newcastle or Fulham. There’s absolutely nothing about your club you can own as a fan and be proud of. Well, if you can then that’s up to you I guess but you’ll have trouble getting credit from fans over the age of 13.
 

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It’s true though, your club is seen as a bit of a joke in the footballing world. You pissed around in the lower divisions, occasionally getting into the premier league achieving the square root of sod all for many a year before oil money came in and bought a few titles. It could just as easily have been Everton, Newcastle or Fulham. There’s absolutely nothing about your club you can own as a fan and be proud of. Well, if you can then that’s up to you I guess but you’ll have trouble getting credit from fans over the age of 13.
That is an odd statement, it is fans over 13, and considerably over 13 as in my case that remember football pre Premier League and pre Sky 4, when huge amounts of money was pumped into selective clubs.

Those fans remeber plenty of clubs with long and proud traditions, from the Nottingham Forests,Derby, Sheffield Wednesday, Bolton, Blackpool and yes even Manchester City. Anyone who belittles another team or its fans because of its lack of supposed history, all clubs have and it is all equally relevent to fans of said club, is far more likely to be the prepubescent.
 

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It’s true though, your club is seen as a bit of a joke in the footballing world. You pissed around in the lower divisions, occasionally getting into the premier league achieving the square root of sod all for many a year before oil money came in and bought a few titles. It could just as easily have been Everton, Newcastle or Fulham. There’s absolutely nothing about your club you can own as a fan and be proud of. Well, if you can then that’s up to you I guess but you’ll have trouble getting credit from fans over the age of 13.
Pmsl. 13 being the pertinent number.

You’ve literally got nothing left to have a go at. I’ve supported City for 32 years Man and boy and these are the lamest comebacks I’ve ever seen. Still, if it makes you feel better.
 

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Are things this bad that our fans are desperately wanting this allegations to be true?
 

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It’s true though, your club is seen as a bit of a joke in the footballing world. You pissed around in the lower divisions, occasionally getting into the premier league achieving the square root of sod all for many a year before oil money came in and bought a few titles. It could just as easily have been Everton, Newcastle or Fulham. There’s absolutely nothing about your club you can own as a fan and be proud of. Well, if you can then that’s up to you I guess but you’ll have trouble getting credit from fans over the age of 13.
It’s funny really because certainly in my experience of talking to opposition fans when following City up and down the country, one doesn’t get that impression at all. I also know plenty of long-standing reds and while they obviously don’t like to see City do well, they’re accepting of the situation and far from discrediting City’s current standing and how it came about, they’re more concerned about their own club. As a recent example, when myself and a few blues were on the tram back into town after the derby the other week, an old school United fan got on at Trafford Bar. He was no shrinking violet but we had a bit of light-hearted banter with him. There were no digs from his side regarding City’s money and nothing from him about how we as fans don’t deserve to see any success. He did, however, say that our songs are shit and was lamenting his own team for not having more of a go.

Maybe you mix in different circles but I’ve found that once you get outside t’internet and into the real world of football fandom, the narrative you’re painting just isn’t there to anything like the extent you’re claiming.
 

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Pep was cleared of those accusations way back. But many United fans just want it to be true.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2009/may/11/pep-guardiola-drug-test-appeal-brescia
He really wasn't cleared of them. A possible mechanism was identified under which the test could give a false positive. The was no way to retest the sample as too much time has passed.

However the false positive rate was low, making it unlikely the test was wrong. Particularly as it wasn't one failed test, there were two failed tests.

Whether he did knowingly take anything is another matter. He always denied it. The same goes for the team testing issues, things like failure to notify errors could be just bad luck and pure coincidence.

The problem with the testing methodology in football is that no one is seriously looking for doping,. It's hard to know what's really happening, or how common it is, let alone identify the individuals who are involved.
 

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Are things this bad that our fans are desperately wanting this allegations to be true?
This. Some of the responses here are ridiculous. I remember the days we used to talk about RAWK conspiracies and their nutty fans... we seem to be on the fast track to RAWK levels of hysteria.