Manchester Dan
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Dock us by 15 points if you must.I'd bloody love of they got caught and were docked heavoly , handing us the tittle.
Dock us by 15 points if you must.I'd bloody love of they got caught and were docked heavoly , handing us the tittle.
Surely it's because they control the game and the tempo of the game that they are able to conserve energy, they have over 2/3rds of the ball at least most matches so of course they will be fresher than the opposition later on. To say they are doped up as an excuse seems an easy way out.Theres definitely something weird with this City team and the Leicester team of 2016. I've been watching football since i was a kid and those teams in particular had this knack of not being out of breath in the 80-90th min when the team they were playing was finding it hard to sprint 10m.
I wouldn't be surprised if both of them were doped up
He doped as a player, doped as Barca manager and doped as Bayern manager. I’m sure City are above board though. None of it matters anyway, it’s rife in the game and is the worst kept secret in sport. It would break everything if it was exposed.The reason it is being mentioned is because when ever they report a serious injury they seem to be back in half the amount of time that 1) they initially reported and 2) earlier than that form of injury takes to recover.
With the history of Guardiola taking steroids, the Spanish doping scandal and other coincidence people are putting two and two together, whether right or wrong.
I wish people would stop comparing this with ‘imagine if people said this under Sir Alex’. We never had miraculous injury recovery under his reign so that argument is completely floored.
Make it 30, we’d still feck it up somehow.Dock us by 15 points if you must.
Ahm ... If they had something to hide they would simply report a different (earlier) expected return in the first place. Instead of saying "6 months out" and the player returns in 4 months they could also just report "3 - 4 months" in the first place instead of being so dumb to raise suspicion with honest reporting but then proceeding to cheat via doping.The reason it is being mentioned is because when ever they report a serious injury they seem to be back in half the amount of time that 1) they initially reported and 2) earlier than that form of injury takes to recover.
With the history of Guardiola taking steroids, the Spanish doping scandal and other coincidence people are putting two and two together, whether right or wrong.
I wish people would stop comparing this with ‘imagine if people said this under Sir Alex’. We never had miraculous injury recovery under his reign so that argument is completely floored.
De Bruyne has been in the league for 3 seasons, and most of that time has seemed physically inadequate over the course of season, and even individual games, making him chronically inconsistent. Now suddenly, without any kind of Bale/Ronaldo-like obvious physical development, can run harder than ever for 90 minutes 3 times a week?Surely it's because they control the game and the tempo of the game that they are able to conserve energy, they have over 2/3rds of the ball at least most matches so of course they will be fresher than the opposition later on. To say they are doped up as an excuse seems an easy way out.
20 points and you'd still win it.Dock us by 15 points if you must.
I agree completely with this post. This doping discussion has nothing to do with Man City in my eyes, and everything to do with Guardiola and his connections (probably Spanish). Guardiola is not a pressing specialist; he simply believes that you should press the ball to regain possession and drills teams to do so; yet he somehow outperforms a pressing specialist in Klopp in terms of intensity and work ethic over the season.De Bruyne has been in the league for 3 seasons, and most of that time has seemed physically inadequate over the course of season, and even individual games, making him chronically inconsistent. Now suddenly, without any kind of Bale/Ronaldo-like obvious physical development, can run harder than ever for 90 minutes 3 times a week?
Silva is suddenly playing with a nastiness he never had before, and Fernandinho who has had long periods of poor form in each of the previous 4 seasons due to fatigue suddenly sustains his stamina the older he gets? Otamendi was an animal at Valencia, looked weak in his first 2 seasons in England yet suddenly looks dominant again at the same time as all of these other abnormalities are happening?
These are not great athletes, just like the majority of the Spanish team the dominanted football weren’t, yet they could suddenly sustain crazy intensity late into games? Xavi went from riding bench behind Deco and Van Bommel in his mid 20s to the best midfielder in the world - it makes no sense.
I think it’s a Spanish thing that transcends into other sports - Rafa Nadal always seemed abnormally powerful to me; watching such an infinitely better technician like Federer struggling to handle his perpetual power and intensity always seemed suspicious.
It’s something that should be scrutinised accordingly - if the FBI can probe FIFAs dodgy internal financial dealings then surely clarifying something like this can be justified too.
The above makes no sense whatsoever, because Guardiola teams are regularly among the highest in distance covered and sprints. His approach does not conserve energy; in fact it does the opposite because Guardiola teams work extremely hard on their positioning off the ball.Guardiola's approach conserves energy and re-directs it to attacking moves.
1. If you have the ball, the opposition are running after it.
2. If you maintain over 65% possession each game then the opposition are running most of the game(s).
3. If you're ball-retaining and high-pressing, the distance between your back line and theirs is shorter, therefore, less room to cover running on defensive transition.
4. Decrease of instances of defensive transition means an increase of energy to offensive runs, hence why players are making good runs for longer periods.
Seems like it Criticism gets shouted down and replaced by conspiracy theories about doping and buying off the media.Have we turned into Liverpool?
Points??? Just a few points??? No. Relegate City to National League.Dock us by 15 points if you must.
What makes him not a pressing specialist? As you state he coaches the team to do so and it has been very effective to me that means he is pretty good at coaching the press kind of like a pressing specialist...I agree completely with this post. This doping discussion has nothing to do with Man City in my eyes, and everything to do with Guardiola and his connections (probably Spanish). Guardiola is not a pressing specialist; he simply believes that you should press the ball to regain possession and drills teams to do so; yet he somehow outperforms a pressing specialist in Klopp in terms of intensity and work ethic over the season.
After 22 games City actually sits 10th at distance covered. Not sure where you get your information from could not find information on sprints, but would be very surprised if we were anywhere near the top of the list since sprints mostly happen in transition. Link for distance covered: https://www.dreamteamfc.com/c/news-gossip/371527/premier-league-table-distance-covered-this-season/ Maybe you could share your sources of information?The above makes no sense whatsoever, because Guardiola teams are regularly among the highest in distance covered and sprints. His approach does not conserve energy; in fact it does the opposite because Guardiola teams work extremely hard on their positioning off the ball.
No it does not but is not really that big of a deal since this isn't powerlifting where your joints are under greater stress.Also does doping even speed up ligament damage?
Nah, we've become far worse.Have we turned into Liverpool?
According to this City were the team with most sprints by NovemberWhat makes him not a pressing specialist? As you state he coaches the team to do so and it has been very effective to me that means he is pretty good at coaching the press kind of like a pressing specialist...
After 22 games City actually sits 10th at distance covered. Not sure where you get your information from could not find information on sprints, but would be very surprised if we were anywhere near the top of the list since sprints mostly happen in transition. Link for distance covered: https://www.dreamteamfc.com/c/news-gossip/371527/premier-league-table-distance-covered-this-season/ Maybe you could share your sources of information?
The amount of baseless claims and completely unsupported claims is quite staggering in this thread. DeBruyne said he was completely knackered before the Burnley game and following that game Pep gave all the players four days off to deal with fatigue. Sounds like good squad management to me. Also does doping even speed up ligament damage? Seems there are a lot of doping specialists on here generally curious?
Seems people can write as much nonsense as possible here..doping at Bayern? Nice story, but never happened, but go on and spread more of that laughable BSHe doped as a player, doped as Barca manager and doped as Bayern manager. I’m sure City are above board though. None of it matters anyway, it’s rife in the game and is the worst kept secret in sport. It would break everything if it was exposed.
How is Guardiola not a pressing specialist? It's a feature of how all his teams play. In particular the fact they do it for only a few seconds after the loss of the ball is highly significant. Most teams hand it straight back, particularly in the PL.Guardiola is not a pressing specialist; he simply believes that you should press the ball to regain possession and drills teams to do so; yet he somehow outperforms a pressing specialist in Klopp in terms of intensity and work ethic over the season.
That intensity they manage to keep up 90 mins has gotten many people scratching their head including me. There was atleast half a dozen moments in this season that made me feel " how the feck they manage to keep up !! ".I agree completely with this post. This doping discussion has nothing to do with Man City in my eyes, and everything to do with Guardiola and his connections (probably Spanish). Guardiola is not a pressing specialist; he simply believes that you should press the ball to regain possession and drills teams to do so; yet he somehow outperforms a pressing specialist in Klopp in terms of intensity and work ethic over the season.
Man City are not an 'energy efficient' team; they run A LOT and it includes a lot of sprints. However; they tire at a slower rate than teams that run less which does not add up.
What you've said about Tottenham is spot on; they display regular behaviour for a high intensity team. They have peaks and troughs through the game and through the season. Man City (and all previous Guardiola teams) operate at full speed no matter what the game state or point of the season. The only exception was in a small period at Bayern Munich where players were complaining about fatigue. Funnily enough, Guardiola was not particularly friendly to the Bayern medical staff because they wanted to treat the players in-house.
I'm under no illusion to think Guardiola is the only doper; I think most footballers dope. However, I think Guardiola has found a source of dope that that really clicks with his style of management and this is why he is so insistent on his players going to specific places for treatment.
Thanks actually clicked that article, but thought it was just about individual players.According to this City were the team with most sprints by November
https://www.express.co.uk/sport/foo...Bellerin-Dele-Alli-Jordan-Ayew-sportgalleries
I agree, high distance covered or high number of sprints isn't a case for doping at all. The suspicion of Pep's sides come from the intensity they play with and his and Spain's history of doping. Personally I think something will come out in the wash regarding his Barca side eventually. As for Bayern and City, admittedly there isn't anything like the amount of circumstantial evidence there was with Barca.Thanks actually clicked that article, but thought it was just about individual players.
Had no idea what a sprint is defined as. Just looked up what a sprint is defined as and it is any run in excess of 25.2 kph. I know is is the new in stat and sure shows bursts of intensity, but now that I know what it actually means I'm a bit skeptical of reading too much into it. 25.2 kph isn't that fast especially for professional soccer players. It equates to a 57.6 400m time. For reference back in high school track a brutal weekly workout was 12 X 400m in 62s with 60s rest between them (Could not imagine doing that now). Certain quick players like Sane who has been recorded reaching 35 kph hitting 25 kph probably isn't really much effort. It does not differentiate long sprints such as a counter attack or recovering on defense to very short sprints. The way City press most of these sprints are probably extremely short to win back possession during their press. Don't think sprints as they are defined reveals much on its own in regards to physical exertion let alone making an argument for doping.
Yeah, keep telling yourself it's "criticism" and not mostly a bitterness fueled circle jerk of gossip and rumours with very little evidence. Good for you.Yeah, we daren't criticize godly Manchester City on this forum.
And talking about Pep's colourful history, in this context, when his team got fined for testing infractions 3 times just last year? How dare the mods not shut any discussion down. They'll have stern talking to from City's PR department. No special access for Redcafe!
We have the same on Blue Moon mate.Tbf after I posted I did think about the amount that City are discussed on here nowadays.
Seems like it, must have changed his supplier after last year. The narrative on this thread seems to be Pep not successful = not doping, Pep successful = doping. I mean, it's not as if the success of Barcelona or the present form of City could be attributed to other things, such as incredibly talented footballers and huge financial resources. I remember reading about the doping allegations levelled against Leicester when they won the league. It's embarrassing to be honest. I'm guessing that similarly Leicester must only have doped for that one year before deciding they'd had enough success from it.If City are at it everyone else will be. Pep just has the best dealer in the ends?
Even at that Utd would still need to finish second and that at the moment isnt really nailed on by any means. .Dock us by 15 points if you must.
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Violets are blue,
If we'd not won the lottery,
We'd be in League 2.
If it cannot can not withstand the daylight to would be worth proberly exposing. You know I wouldn't be socked if English part of City's board would be above such dishonesty but I wouldn't put past the Arabs to do anyting to make their City project succsess. And since the Arabs are in majority I would be suprised if the English had to back down.He doped as a player, doped as Barca manager and doped as Bayern manager. I’m sure City are above board though. None of it matters anyway, it’s rife in the game and is the worst kept secret in sport. It would break everything if it was exposed.
Remember when Rooney was supposed to be out for a month after his ankle injury but came back 6 days later against Bayern.....Sane on the bench tonight. Meant to be out for 7 weeks, out for only 2.
Hmmm....