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Pretty obvious it's still going on, I hope they get caught and docked 20 points.
Why do you think if doping is legalised people will stay within legal limits? I find that reasoning very naive. They will misuse to seek edge and advantage, which, in essence, is why people use PEDS full stop. They aren’t looking for a level playing field.If everything is in the open; there would be a much more thorough process for mitigating side effects. I can be quite confident in saying that EPO deaths almost always require a pre-existing condition or genetic history. And a lot of deaths come from medical malpractice.
The nature of EPO means that it is very difficult to die from it when dosed correctly. I have yet to read of a person dying from EPO that wasn't mis using it in some way. It's the case with pretty much every steroid on the market; so long as you are not predisposed to side effects and dose it modestly you're alright.
There would be no legal limits; there would be correct drug protocol that is easily accessible. Do you think players now take legal aids without their doctor's recommendation or the suggested dosing?Why do you think if doping is legalised people will stay within legal limits? I find that reasoning very naive. They will misuse to seek more advantage, which, in essence, is why people use PEDS full stop. They aren’t looking for a level playing field.
The environment will barely be safer, they are already dosed by qualified doctors that have access to their medical files (ECG etc) and with pharmaceutical grade drugs. The culture of taking extra risk to gain edge will continue to exist in the same way it does already.There would be no legal limits; there would be correct drug protocol that is easily accessible. Do you think players now take legal aids without their doctor's recommendation or the suggested dosing?
It has nothing to do with naivety and everything to do with knowledge of the PED industry. PEDs when dosed incorrectly are generally very dangerous; and usually less effective due to side effects. It is within the interest of the player to dose correctly or face an early death. Doctors would lose their license if they overdosed their patients.
This idea that athletes would go out of control if they were legalized makes no sense; because they are already doing PEDs. Legalizing PEDs will not increase PED usage substantially because it is already widespread. What it will do is create a safer environment for users.
That's the defence argument that Dr Fuentes used in the Puerto case.This idea that athletes would go out of control if they were legalized makes no sense; because they are already doing PEDs. Legalizing PEDs will not increase PED usage substantially because it is already widespread. What it will do is create a safer environment for users.
So in your ideal world there is an incredibly effective and stringent testing regime to ensure that athletes are only using permitted amounts of PEDs?There would be no legal limits; there would be correct drug protocol that is easily accessible. Do you think players now take legal aids without their doctor's recommendation or the suggested dosing?
It has nothing to do with naivety and everything to do with knowledge of the PED industry. PEDs when dosed incorrectly are generally very dangerous; and usually less effective due to side effects. It is within the interest of the player to dose correctly or face an early death. Doctors would lose their license if they overdosed their patients.
This idea that athletes would go out of control if they were legalized makes no sense; because they are already doing PEDs. Legalizing PEDs will not increase PED usage substantially because it is already widespread. What it will do is create a safer environment for users.
And that those drugs don't have side-effects ten or twenty years later, long after that doctor has last seen them.So in your ideal world there is an incredibly effective and stringent testing regime to ensure that athletes are only
using permitted amounts of PEDs?
Except, only top athletes will have access to the best treatment at the moment. If you do not have an over the table process, you need the right connections to get the best quality treatment.The environment will barely be safer, they are already dosed by qualified doctors that have access to their medical files (ECG etc) and with pharmaceutical grade drugs. The culture of taking extra risk to gain edge will continue to exist in the same way it does already.
Malpractice isnt found out through testing and there would be no legal limits. Malpractice is based on the doctor's responsibility to the patients health. Unless you are in treatment 24/7 you arent going to get tested for anything; it's when someone gets hurt that malpractice is found out.So in your ideal world there is an incredibly effective and stringent testing regime to ensure that athletes are only using permitted amounts of PEDs?
There is something like this already in american football. Where promising young players take things that they do not have knowledge of because theyre told it will give them an edge. Only when they make it big do they get a better understanding of the process.That's the defence argument that Dr Fuentes used in the Puerto case.
The thing is, football is played in multiple countries, at multiple levels and players are selected as potential professionals very young. However good the doctors a top PL club can hire, you're creating a kind of arms race in which the next group keep testing the limits.
The PL promotion playoff is reckons to be the most valuable game in football. For a 15 year old kid, that bit of extra muscle or power could be the difference between a contract at 16 and nothing. People take risks. Legalising to protect athletes at the top, just endangers every other level below them.
There’s also a french (I think) documentary that’s called ”The race to dope”. Cougat is interviewed in it and you wouldn’t believe how many signed photos of the prime Barca team he has on the wall.Anyone interested in how you can get around drug testing I'd suggest you watch the film 'Icarus' (It's on UK netflix for those who have it). That documentary alone has convinced me that pretty much all sports have some form of PED issue.
Pretty sure Ederson was doped today, Stones too.
That sounds a bit too simplistic to cover all the angles. Going by Perarnau's books on Guardiola, the fallout was also caused because of issues such as not having a direct 'clinic' within the training complex, the doctor not travelling with the team etc. Not to mention that Müller-Wohlfahrt himself is as much a nutjob as Pep, so a little bit of hysteria was always on the cards.He even had a falling out with the Bayern medical staff because they wanted to treat their own players and he wanted the 'special doctor' to treat them.
I care if only a few are doing it and others aren't.Anyone else not care about PED use in football?
I think most of us would have understood the reason behind that. Its ridiculous that a player is asked to provide samples in the middle of his transfer saga. You can definitely postpone it by a day or maybe even a week after the winter window closesImagine the state of this thread if a player had missed a drugs test on the same day he signed for City
or we could talk about the Jesus 'miracle' recovery that some say stopped your pursuit in SanchezImagine the state of this thread if a player had missed a drugs test on the same day he signed for City
What about the threads about City breaching the same rules as Arsenal wrt Sanchez?Imagine the state of this thread if a player had missed a drugs test on the same day he signed for City
Lucky we don't have a manager who has a murky history of doping following him around.Imagine the state of this thread if a player had missed a drugs test on the same day he signed for City
Well, tbf, Alexis did play for Pep so clearly there is a credible link based on the fact filled threadImagine the state of this thread if a player had missed a drugs test on the same day he signed for City
Nobody would give a shitImagine the state of this thread if a player had missed a drugs test on the same day he signed for City
Not to mention a blood sample was taken during his medical the same day.I think most of us would have understood the reason behind that. Its ridiculous that a player is asked to provide samples in the middle of his transfer saga. You can definitely postpone it by a day or maybe even a week after the winter window closes
Then there would be a bump in said players thread on the matter, surely? Nice of you to think of Pep when a players misses a drugs test thoughImagine the state of this thread if a player had missed a drugs test on the same day he signed for City
I'd say there would be 17 new pages in under an hour.Imagine the state of this thread if a player had missed a drugs test on the same day he signed for City
Yeah but for City with 3 players missing a drugs test you only get a £35k fine while with one player missing a drugs test for Man Utd he's banned for 8 months.Imagine the state of this thread if a player had missed a drugs test on the same day he signed for City
Which reminds me of this article. City players missed tests 3 times in 5 months under Pep.Yeah but for City with 3 players missing a drugs test you only get a £35k fine while with one player missing a drugs test for Man Utd he's banned for 8 months.
Why would that be? On another note how did Dubai get the world cup? It must be good to have a owner who is prepared to bribe officials.
Still UAE.Which reminds me of this article. City players missed tests 3 times in 5 months under Pep.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39383967
PS. The World Cup is going to Qatar.
or we could talk about the Jesus 'miracle' recovery that some say stopped your pursuit in Sanchez
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Drugs don't work they just make you worsePep confirms Gabriel Jesus still out for another 3-4 weeks. Not good going for an alleged doper given that was basically the initial prognosis when he received the injury at the end of December.
To be fair, only a United fan would come out with such a ridiculous thought!Drugs don't work they just make you worse
You know very well that the illegal drugs help with muscle injuries, not ligament injuries. Blood oil money won't save knees miraculously.Pep confirms Gabriel Jesus still out for another 3-4 weeks. Not good going for an alleged doper given that was basically the initial prognosis when he received the injury at the end of December.
Yep. Sane injured so bad you almost spent 50mil on mahrez, but he's been pictured trainingI always get excited when this thread gets bumped up, because I directly assume one of our injured players is back!
Your first port of call for City news is a United forum?I always get excited when this thread gets bumped up, because I directly assume one of our injured players is back!
Weird you'd come to a United forum for City related news.I always get excited when this thread gets bumped up, because I directly assume one of our injured players is back!
Your first port of call for City news is a United forum?
Tried to be cheeky there.Weird you'd come to a United forum for City related news.