But how will we be able to avoid ffp when we only deal with legit sponsorship? I wonder how much headroom we have / ceiling limit of what we can spend. For example, say we spent £150M was that the top of the budget or was there more available and was not being made available because of FFP etc...
Pep's spending is insane (£941m and counting at City)
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Basically I heard that someone who’s name is similar to Eleven is interested in buying out the Glazers.
You ain’t seen dodgy deals yet if it goes through
We have De Gea, Shaw, Jones, Rojo, Mata, Smalling, Blind, Young, Herrera, Valencia, Fellaini, Lingard and Pereira left from the 2014/15 squad (the latter two barely played).
Mad how ruthless they've been. We could do with a bit of ruthlessness too.
You lost me.
I’m sure someone can work it out. I’m not being that cryptic.
If not, all will be revealed when I sober up
The most alarming part of that graphic is Stoke considering they have gone on to be relegated.
Crazy spending really and that’s not even factoring in the signing on fee’s, wages, extra £10 Man United tax we get quoted.
Seems the media try to turn a blind eye to all of this but it’s outrageous. How many highly priced attacking midfielders and center backs does he need?
Seems the media try to turn a blind eye to all of this but it’s outrageous. How many highly priced attacking midfielders and center backs does he need?
What deal?
.I’m sure someone can work it out. I’m not being that cryptic.
If not, all will be revealed when I sober up
They always seem to get their deals smack bang in that 40-60 range
It won't be admitted here but Pep has been buying good but not great players (or great but not quite world class depending on your outlook). We haven't a single player on the books bar KDB who's start for Barca, maybe Kun would start ahead of Benz at Madrid too but thats it.
We're buying a lot and I mean A LOT of £50-60m players to have an even and balance squad but that seems to be how we do it. We don't spend on the £100m or so on one player like other clubs, we buy 1.5 to 2 players for that money.
We haven't a single players in the top 15 most expensive signings of all time but we are the ones pushing up individual prices and inflating the market? You have to go to 16th on the list to find our most expensive...
15 most expensive players of all time, driving inflation:
Real Madrid - 4 two of which were bought 10 years + ago,
Barcelona - 4.
PSG- 2 1st and 2nd
Manchester United - 2
Juventus, Liverpool and Chelsea - 1 each.
Looks to me like 2 clubs are the ones bringing about this inflation, 2 Spanish ones and PSG.
Our most expensive signing is actually only 5th on the list of the leagues nevermind globally most expensive.
We're spending a lot of money but we are doing it in an even way for 20+ similar standard players, we are getting 4 players for around £200m. Other clubs are getting 2 or at a push 3 and leaving themselves exposed spending huge chunks on single individuals.
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Pep's overall spend is insane, there is no denying that, but his use of said money has been much better than say United, Chelsea's even Barca's.
I mean we got Sane 50m (all prices with add ones), Laporte(55m), Jesus (30m), Gundogan (18m), Ederson (35m) Walker (55m)and Bernardo Silva (£43m) for £288m approx.
For the same money United paid got Lukaku (75m), Pogba (90m) Martial (56m) Bailly (30m) Lindelof (£30m)for a combined 281m.
For the same money approx again Barca got Coutinho, Dembele less £40m
Of course we've spent more than United no denying that, but imho thus far our use of insane money has been far better than most other clubs that have spent the same (United, PSG, Barca). Although time may prove me wrong
It’s the going rate for a St Pep player
People say this, but when you don't have constraints on needing to offload players to bring in more it makes it much easier to be "ruthless". I refuse to believe Mourinho has wanted to keep players like Blind, Mata, Darmian, pick some of our CBs, etc. for as long as he has. Sure, he has a considerable budget and I'm not crying for him, but I don't believe he could overhaul the squad like Pep has for some reasons out of his control.
The board actually refused to up their bid for Perisic last summer even though he was a player Mourinho had earmarked as a priority. Whether you rate the player or not it speaks to there actually being some constraints on him in terms of spending. This summer I believe it will be easier to offload some of our fringe players because their contracts are running out and they want to secure longer deals elsewhere, even if on less wages, and to guarantee themselves more playing time.
Ederson > Areola
Laporte > Kimpembe / Thiago Silva (33 today, soon 34)
Gundogan > Rakitic, Lo Celso
Sane > 35 years old Ribery
Bravo > Areola
Jesus > Benzema (5 league goals ffs)
Forget Bravo and make that 10 players who are easily good enough to play in the first 11 for those teams you mentioned. 10/13
It’s funny how when it comes to City everyone here agrees their success is purely down to money but when it comes to clubs like Arsenal and Spurs there are so many reasons for failure not related to finances.
You can inflate a market without having the highest individual prices ever. The money you've thrown at historically non-premium positions like FB and CB inflate the market in a way that just looking at a list of most expensive signings ever won't explain.
That actually sounds like decent business.
He's made the best signings. Look at that list you did. What team in the World has signed a better group of players in the last 2 years? And he's added them to an already elite squad whilst not selling anyone
I'll agree with this, I think we have a better squad than PSG all around. Not as good individuals as Neymar and Mbappe but from 1-18 we are stronger even if 1-11 is a coin toss. PSG have used their money differently, spending huge on certain individuals and while they are a brilliant team, I don't think they've bought with the same balance that Pep has. Of course its just imhoEderson > Areola
Laporte > Kimpembe / Thiago Silva (33 today, soon 34)
Gundogan > Rakitic, Lo Celso
Sane > 35 years old Ribery
Bravo > Areola
Jesus > Benzema (5 league goals ffs)
Forget Bravo and make that 10 players who are easily good enough to play in the first 11 for those teams you mentioned. 10/13
Pretty sure majority of people here think Arsenal's failures are largely down to their reticence to spend at various points under Wenger. That's like the general consensus on Arsenal.
With Spurs it's not about the spend because the players, at least in the starting XI, at Poch's disposal have far exceeded their transfer fees at this stage and are top quality. What they'd cost if somebody wanted to pry them from Spurs now speaks to that. Spurs do have financial constraints though in adding quality depth to the squad unless they can continue to unearth low cost gems, which is a difficult ask which Poch knows and is why he demanded he be backed in the market by Levy before signing his new contract.
Money matters. You can fight that reality in the short term by being shrewder than your competition, but in the end it's extremely difficult and almost impossible to sustain a model like that.
So do you genuinely think our £50m Kyle Walker has have more effect on the market, than Real's Ronaldo deal, Uniteds Pogba deal and PSG's Neymar. It was on the back of these mega deals prices took a hike across the board. I'll openly admit we've overpaid for defenders £50m for Stones deserves a smack (even though i think he's quite good) but its the huge deals that change the scape of the market, see prices before and after Neymar.
A little off topic as Pep's spending has indeed been absolutely mental. Stupidly so.. but other clubs aren't too far behind. I believe heading into this season we'll have the first £800m+ squad in football, Uniteds will easily break £700m, even £100m in puts them at £750m and PSG around the same though I believe FFP might have a say there.
It's the exact reason Spurs have failed. Got a good squad but never pushed it on.
Arsenal are fecked for the reason you mention. Cheap option manager in my opinion plus saying they have 50-70m to spend. That is naff all hence why they'll do nothing this season in the league.
Ederson > Areola
Laporte > Kimpembe / Thiago Silva (33 today, soon 34)
Gundogan > Rakitic, Lo Celso
Sane > 35 years old Ribery
Bravo > Areola
Jesus > Benzema (5 league goals ffs)
Forget Bravo and make that 10 players who are easily good enough to play in the first 11 for those teams you mentioned. 10/13
there is no way when signed the likes of Sane or Jesus would have replaced Benz or Ribery when they were 20 years old, Laporte may have got into the team but would he walk into the team, no, same with Gundogan
Agree, thats why I think Pep has done well (I know you hate him). He's used his insane money on many good players instead of a few superstars. There is no questioning his amount, its fecking huge. I think he has approx a £250m budge per season going off what we've seen so far.
not selling anyone, only 3 players are still at the club from the 2014/15 season, we had an aging squad and it needed replacing, we've sold over £200m worth of players in that time
What do you expect from him, to work with peanuts.
What players has Pep Guardiola sold?
You inflated the market on defenders before Walker. The money spent on Mangala prior to that was laughable and extreme, not to mention Stones the year before Walker's arrival.
Pogba's deal did inflate the market as well IMO.
At this point the prices are what they are. This "inflated" market is just the new normal. It'll probably be like this for another 2-3 years before it gets driven up even further.
I don’t actually hate him, I just think he cheated United out of the CL in 09
2011 he won fair and square
I can definitely say one thing that Real's Ronaldo deal absolutely had no effect on the Market. He was once in a generation player.It was Real's bale obsession which had massive effect. But these are world class buys who are classified as forward players or creators or goal scorers.
Of course we played a part, but when people lay it all on City it irks me, the big big deals are more responsible. We've bumped up prices on middle tier players no doubt I had erased Mangala from memory and tell myself he cost the same as Richard Dunne.
Their team has reached a point that they don't need a manager at all tbh. They can get one of the fans to manage the team and they will still dominate the league again next season.
Firstly, thats figures from 2008-2018 i.e. the last 10 years.
Theres no doubt that City has spent a lot but they have also won trophies. So at least there is an end product. The purchases City have made in recent times have formed the backbone of the club - Silva, Toure Aguero Kompany Hart and now more recently De Bruyne, Sterling, Sane, Gundogan, Walker, Ederson. They have been excellent at buying players and have made many good decisions in the transfer market.
These stats say a lot abt us too. We are in the company of League/CL winners in our spending but we arent at their level in the footballing sense yet. Many players we've bought in the last 5 yrs have already left the club.
We have to look at our club and its spending rather than looking at City and Pep. Yes they've spent shit loads of money, but they've also broken records to win the league almost effortlessly and and are counted amongst the best teams in europe in playing style and on paper. Can we say the same about ourselves? This is not the time to point fingers at City. We should be looking at ourselves.
Are they really amongst the best teams in Europe?
They did lose to the 4th placed PL side
Bony, 'Nacho, Kolarov, Mooy, Nasri, Unal, Nitcham and a load of others released like Zaba, Clichy, Sagna, Navas and there are probably others I can't place at the moment, season before he came we got rid of Dzeko, Negredo, Jovetic, Nastatic etc
In fairness he had not really any worth selling.
The squad was too old and he'd never sell Sagna, Zabaleta, Clichy, Yaya etc.. All the outgoings were free because simply there was too many players sitting around too old and incapable of doing their job to bring in any money. You only have to look at where they ended up. Zabs and Hart at West Ham, Caballero as Chelsea's reserve. Clichy in Turkey, Sagna at Benevento. Kolarov etc.. we got a tiny bit of money for.
Its a similar situation to when you guys try to move on Young, Carrick (had he not retired) and Valencia. Good players once, average now but with no market value (although you might get a couple of million for Valencia).
As Thunderhead said we sold a bucket load of reserves not very often used players like Bony, and youngsters who were never going to make the grade.
The pick of his sold players is Bony and don't even know what he does now.
I'll be more impressed by the man when he does something in management that I don't genuinely think I could do myself
Eleven? Can't think of many names that would rhyme or sound like the word "Eleven". lol
you got me thinking now. Unless it is 11 in another language which might make more sense
Eleven? Can't think of many names that would rhyme or sound like the word "Eleven". lol
you got me thinking now. Unless it is 11 in another language which might make more sense
indeed that’d make sense