And you believe them? How do you know they're not just boasting?
Pep's spending is insane (£941m and counting at City)
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You seem to be a respected poster on here. You have obviously been on the board a long time before i joined.
In your own words you have not been on here for a long time due to personal issues. You do seem to have alot of pent up bitterness & anger issues from your recent posts. I've seen melt downs on previous forums & they are never pretty. You may have come back too soon. Maybe it's time to take another step back & come back when you really know your'e ready.
Hi namco. So this is your latest incarnation eh?
They could’ve been bullshitting of course but there was no reason for me to disbelieve them.
Didn't I read the other day that they intend to do 1 or 2 transfers this summer? Liverpool is coming strong, we ourselves are likely to go big on the market so these things have a way of evening themselves out. If we have a massive involvement in the market, we might be looking at nearing the £1b mark too.
You see mate, big clubs with the financial clout inflate the market all he time. I think you are cherry picking the instances that suit your narrative. Consider that a decade ago a Real Madrid could spend as much as £190m plus in one season. Even if you look at individual transfers, every big spender at one point in time or another inflates the market. I wouldn't put it down to 2 clubs, certainly not.
They may not be doing it "for the greater good" but at the end of the day it works out that way much like the way a captitalist society runs such that the capitalist society would dwarf a socialist regulated state in terms of development and financial power.
When you consider that a Chelsea was spending at some point double the next big spenders. Now the transfer figures we see for relegation teams today would be record transfers a while back. Its not enough to say that club x spent £y million and so they must be evil. You need to view what they are spending in relation to our present context. That's perspective. Teams are spending big indeed but they also on unprecedented revenue levels.
The major reason why we have been spending big post-SAF is because previous spend of hasn't always been done well. When you spend on CB and then you need a new CB next term, it's part of the the issue. When you are a big club apart from Juve and Bayern and you aren't doing well, spending becomes inevitable much like how Real were spending big trying to catch up with the Barca dominance last decade.
I was agreeing with you to say that yes they spent big money but when you look closer you'd see that they were doing something more. When I see their squad, I see a lot of potential rather than much of the finished article but they manage to achieve such feats.
I think anyone would agree, that the PSG and Man City spending has taken football into an insane direction that is very bad for the game as a whole.
There SHOULD be limits and sensible ones at that. But who is going to implement anything like that? UEFA?
Football competition has basically been turned into a joke by PSG and Man City specifically. Anyone that says differently is on a wind up.
There SHOULD be limits and sensible ones at that. But who is going to implement anything like that? UEFA?
Football competition has basically been turned into a joke by PSG and Man City specifically. Anyone that says differently is on a wind up.
everyone who disagrees with me is a windup
It's just a shame the poster above you didn't make his comment the OP in this thread. That way we could've locked it after 1 post!
Very often the problem seems to be a sensitivity that city fans have to any perceived criticism. They argue that they wouldn’t have gotten 100 points without guardiola and this is true, he has done a fantastic job. But in turn he wouldn’t have gotten near this level without his spending. The conversation has been done to death already about the fact that he already had de bruyne, Sterling, kompany, silva and aguero who are key players then he dumped half a billion on top of it. Their success has been made possible only by Dubai money.
This article is fairly broad rather than specific but echoes a lot of my overall sentiment https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/so...-owners-toying-with-real-fans-clubs-1.3200216
I personally don’t think it should have to be a dirty secret that i abhore the current emirati project at city. It’s not football as I knew it when I fell in love with the sport and is spearheading a further departure from it. I will and have openly lauded or praised any on field achievements worthy of it, but nothing will ever remove the stipulation I attach. The hollow cheapening of that achievement. It’s exactly how I would feel if united were bought out tomorrow or if Southampton were winning the league in 6 years with 1.5bn spent.
Sorry you disagree, but I suppose that’s what makes the world go around.
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Yes generally they have impacted the market particularly with their purchase of defenders. But it's not only the market for defenders that affects the market. Generally their midfield and attacking purchases have been fairly reasonable.
They have bought attacking players too for fair amounts within this period whilst we/some others spent big and broken records on such similar transfers. Except we are saying the market for midfielders and attackers doesn't influence market prices.
Even then it was said that Stones was touted the next John Terry and if not for Everton deciding to dig in their hills Mourinho would have bought him for big money. At the time we got Rio Ferdinand (well worth the money by the way) people thought the fees were pretty high but we explained it all away saying it was so because of the British tax and rightly so. I'm simply saying that you simply cannot look at deals done by a club and look away from others.
To be fair the coaching job one one such job where you make your impact through others. A world class player can decide to get the ball and make things happen for his team because he is directly involved in the thick of things. I really do believe that the discussion about world class coaches is a discussion amongst the top clubs in world football.
There's no manager at the top level that will have a sustained level of success at the highest levels without 1) serious financial backing and/or 2) world class players. They will mostly come shot if they were handed average to poor teams and so managers earn the respect/trust to manage the big sides through different ways but even then the ones that aren't up to it get the boot in no time even though they win the odd trophy here and there. You look at a Benitez who was given the trust to manage one of the world's best and he folded but he's doing fine with a so called underdog. You look at a Gerardo 'Tata' Martino. It wasn't long before he got shown for his true level.
Being bank rolled and owned by a state is very different to where a holding company is registered.
Talk about clutching at straws! Mental gymnastics by city fans trying to cling onto authenticity is hilarious.
I await more 'whataboutery'.
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Pep’s a fraud in that sense. Yea he has nice footballing philosophy and he makes it work but who wouldn’t with hundreds of millions of dollars every transfer window and considerably outspending his competition? Not hard to do.
From the article: "Less popular than the sheikhs are the Americans, who come not as rich men who want to have some fun with their money, but as rich men whose aim is to get even richer. They come from the cosseted professional sports industry in the US, which to a startling degree is organised around the transfer of public wealth to private hands in the form of taxpayer funding of stadiums".
Obviously it is your perogative to abhor the City project. My view is the game was screwed way before Abu Dhabi came along and the book that article is based on, The Billionaires Club (recommended by the way), reinforces it with detailed criticism of all the ownership models.
Not sure it makes him a 'fraud' but he has had an extremely easy ride in management. Could he do what Mou did at porto/inter, Simeone has done with AM, Klopp did with Dortmund, Ranieri did with Leicester even? I don't think we'll ever know but I doubt it. I can't imagine his style works unless you can buy a lot of top players to implement it (hence the mad spending when he had a poor first season).
He’s taking on the biggest club in the world didn’t you know? What’s easy about that.
Is he a fraud?
At Barca he spent less than many top European clubs at the time he was the manager, but still cleaned up. People forget that most of that team were made up of players who came through the ranks, or were bought back from another club, after coming through the ranks and being sold on.
People can’t have it both ways. The top money clubs in this world are Bayern, UTD, now Barca too, Real, Chelsea, PSG, City etc. They spend big (net spend and wages) on a consistent basis, year after year after year.
The top managers go to the top clubs, and the top clubs are still the top clubs because they spend the dough. Sure, you will get a Leicester, or a Monaco coming through, but they don’t stay as they don’t have the income or a rich sugar daddy to seem them through the long term.
Pep has spent big, because he’s been at big clubs, Mourinho spends big because he has been at big clubs, and I think you will find that career comparisons will show that Mourinho has spent more money on transfers in the history of football.
If you managed a top club, you wouldn’t have say a Alladyce spending your money...
At Barca he spent less than many top European clubs at the time he was the manager, but still cleaned up. People forget that most of that team were made up of players who came through the ranks, or were bought back from another club, after coming through the ranks and being sold on.
People can’t have it both ways. The top money clubs in this world are Bayern, UTD, now Barca too, Real, Chelsea, PSG, City etc. They spend big (net spend and wages) on a consistent basis, year after year after year.
The top managers go to the top clubs, and the top clubs are still the top clubs because they spend the dough. Sure, you will get a Leicester, or a Monaco coming through, but they don’t stay as they don’t have the income or a rich sugar daddy to seem them through the long term.
Pep has spent big, because he’s been at big clubs, Mourinho spends big because he has been at big clubs, and I think you will find that career comparisons will show that Mourinho has spent more money on transfers in the history of football.
If you managed a top club, you wouldn’t have say a Alladyce spending your money...
If you want to put yourself down like that, fair enough.Fixed for you dear. You are welcome.Go mad, please.
He spent £350m over 4 years, in a much less inflated market... despite having an immensely strong squad already.
The revisionism is strong in this one.
He didn't need to spend money, that's the point.
Pep was handed arguably the greatest football team ever assembled when he became manager of Barca. Imagine being presented with the likes of Messi, Iniesta, Xavi, Puyol, Villa, Ronaldinho, Eto'o, Thuram - among a great many others - on your first day in the job. This is the stuff dreams are made of for all football managers, let alone one starting out for his first job in management.
He actually got rid of Thuram, Eto'o and Ronaldinho within his first year at the club, the reasons for which escape even the brightest minds in the scientific industry. But yeah, I'm sure Pep had his reasons. Were they personal reasons? Who knows.
As mentioned Pep has had fantastic squads given to him (Barca, Bayern) yet has still spent obscene amounts. He's never took on a proper rebuilding job or help bring an underdog to the top.
Thuram was 36, out of contract and retired with a heart condition.
Ronaldinho is on record he left of his own volition in 2008 and not due a fall-out with Pep
Villa didn't join until 2010
Messi was a young star but his numbers weren't insane as a 21 year old. He has scored more in each of the 9 seasons since 2008/2009
I don't really agree with all this fraud gist. Sure he's had an easy ride in management, I never really rated him before his City stint and thought he would struggle here like most of us did before last season. The way people keep going on about his spending you'd think he fields a world class eleven in every position which is very far from truth. His squad consists of 3-4 world class players and other good players playing at a very high level. Lets take a look
Ederson- Good
Jesus- Good but not world class
Sane-Very good, had an amazing season
Sterling- Good player, was not really rated here before Pep got to him
D. Silva- World Class
Aguero- World class, missed a chunk of the season
De Bruyne- World class
Fernandinho- Good player
Delph- Not even a left back
Otamendi/Stones- Range between average and good, weren't rated before last season
Kompany-Very good but barely plays
Walker- Good player, nothing special.
That's about 4 world class players and some other good players who are all simultaneously having the season of their lives(while the opposite happened with ours) , can't see how this can be put down to just money, especially seeing how much players he's let go and the specific kind of players he brings in. Sorry guys but with the amount of money we spend continously we have absolutely no excuse to be so far behind them in terms of quality. Moyes and especially LVG screwed us real bad, but I see no reason why 2 seasons after Mourinho, all the money spent and after 10 players DDG is still our only world class player despite spending more money on the likes of Lukaku and Pogba than City have on any single player. There's no excuse for this.
We're the last club who should be moaning about City's spending as we've spent bucketloads too. After this summer Jose would have probably signed 14-15 players yet there are posters here already talking about how hopeless it is to catch them, that's bullshit. If City could win the league with 100 pts last season with 4-5 world class players and a bunch of other decent players I don't see any reason why we can't do the same, if only we've been recruiting properly and had a manager who could get the best out of these players. Is there anyone who honestly feels that if City don't buy a single player this summer while we buy 5 we'll play any football remotely close to what City did last season?
Ederson- Good
Jesus- Good but not world class
Sane-Very good, had an amazing season
Sterling- Good player, was not really rated here before Pep got to him
D. Silva- World Class
Aguero- World class, missed a chunk of the season
De Bruyne- World class
Fernandinho- Good player
Delph- Not even a left back
Otamendi/Stones- Range between average and good, weren't rated before last season
Kompany-Very good but barely plays
Walker- Good player, nothing special.
That's about 4 world class players and some other good players who are all simultaneously having the season of their lives(while the opposite happened with ours) , can't see how this can be put down to just money, especially seeing how much players he's let go and the specific kind of players he brings in. Sorry guys but with the amount of money we spend continously we have absolutely no excuse to be so far behind them in terms of quality. Moyes and especially LVG screwed us real bad, but I see no reason why 2 seasons after Mourinho, all the money spent and after 10 players DDG is still our only world class player despite spending more money on the likes of Lukaku and Pogba than City have on any single player. There's no excuse for this.
We're the last club who should be moaning about City's spending as we've spent bucketloads too. After this summer Jose would have probably signed 14-15 players yet there are posters here already talking about how hopeless it is to catch them, that's bullshit. If City could win the league with 100 pts last season with 4-5 world class players and a bunch of other decent players I don't see any reason why we can't do the same, if only we've been recruiting properly and had a manager who could get the best out of these players. Is there anyone who honestly feels that if City don't buy a single player this summer while we buy 5 we'll play any football remotely close to what City did last season?
To easy winning in this way
I would win with that team too
They do not have to respect the ffp for some reason...???!!!
And was able to build a better team because of it, its very easy to see now why he got rid of those players given his style of football.
And the success that followed it too
The spending is crazy, City are able to do that. I wouldn't take away from the fact Pep is a extremely good coach/manager (who has his flaws also)
It is funny when people say anyone could win with that squad, when we have witnessed managers come to United and struggle badly having squads far better than many of their rivals.
It is funny when people say anyone could win with that squad, when we have witnessed managers come to United and struggle badly having squads far better than many of their rivals.
The expectations, history, pressure and media spotlight that comes with the Man United job, makes it a way more difficult task.
Especially when compared to a small club that is the plaything of a rich country.
Buddy if you are taking your opinions from Dmitri Seluk you need to see a shrink. He's hardly going to have a fair opinion of Pep after his client being made to apologise for his behavior. He's also trying to shop his only half notable client, who is 35 years old and legs have gone around by offering for him to play for £1 per week.
I love the way people paper over the fact Guardiola won the Spanish 4th division with a team tipped for a 2nd consecutive relegation...
I genuinely have no idea what you’re talking about. I don’t know if you’re agreeing or disagreeing. I think you might be disagreeing with the point you think I am making but agreeing with the point I am actually in fact making.
City players other than Stones look pretty underwhelming so far at the WC. Some are playing a in a different position like De Bruyne, but Gabriel Jesus for example really has no excuse.
Just proof Pep is a great manager with a brilliant system for the modern game. All his players, on paper aren't exactly world class yet they performed at a world class level. He's only 3 world class players, all of them were already there before he joined (Aguero, Silva & KDB).
His signings are good but played at an unbelievable level.
Namely: Walker, Fernandinho, Sane, Sterling. They're far from world class to be honest.
I think you have to look at who they have around them before saying they are underwhelming. At City every single player including subs are very good, at a minimum. There are no weak areas on the pitch for the system they play. All the national teams have something missing.
Eh? The City players I've watched have all been excellent at the World Cup. Sterling a possible exception but even he has had his moments.
Fernandinho is the best DM in the league. At 33 that might not last long and he isnt as physical as Matic but in terms of protecting the back 4 and getting the ball to more dangerous players he's a very good and important player for them
So as at now we've spent something similar to what Pep spent last season, is it okay for us to expect something even close to their last season performances seeing as everything Pep does is all down to money
Pep has spent almost 450m at City!
What's your definition of somewhat similar?