it's true, I went and talked about pewdiepie at a hotel management conference and they all made fun of me for not getting the intricacies of meme culture
Pewdiepie as an Influence for White Supremacy
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
So, by whinging that the Caf (and only the Caf) is against you purely because it’s “far to the left” you’re presumably agreeing that PDP’s fanbase is, therefore, far to the right, then? Or at least inclined that way?
It’s a start. Well done.
Ah yes, "both sides" in action. You are truly a the most radical of centrists.
So, by whinging that the Caf (and only the Caf) is against you purely because it’s “far to the left” you’re presumably agreeing that PDP’s fanbase is, therefore, far to the right, then? Or at least inclined that way?
It’s a start. Well done.
Most of Pewdiepie's fanbase aren't remotely political, nor do they become so because they laughed at nazi memes. People on the far right generally aren't watching Pewdiepie's meme reviews.
I'm not whinging, I'm stating a fact. This forum (particularly current events) is very left wing biased and is not a reflection of the general public.
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By the way, to people who have been accusing Pewdiepie of not distancing himself from the alt right, he had this to say back in 2017:
'I want nothing to do with these people. I have no hate in my heart, I only have hate for hateful people'.
Seems pretty clear to me.
'I want nothing to do with these people. I have no hate in my heart, I only have hate for hateful people'.
Seems pretty clear to me.
Far right figures followed by Pewdiepie on twitter:
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https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/174...ns-fan-who-defaced-second-world-war-memorial/
He has 89 million subscribers. Some of them are going to be cnuts.
oh man and here we were all thinking that exactly 89 million subscribers had swastika tattoos
They are, though. I mean, they very obviously are, aren’t they? This is what I mean by oblivious. In this instance to what in fact the far right in 2019 actually is.
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Here's the thing... It's not about majority and minority, or about whether this site represents anything other than the posters that post on it.
We are talking about an issue in society, not about an issue on RedCafe. Everyone's opinion on here is valid, even yours (even though all it seems to amount to it's PDP PR).
If you disagree with the points being made in this thread about the wider issue then state it, otherwise quit whining about poor old PDP and these phantom attacks that you feel the need to defend him from.
You allude to the fact that, outside of this forum some of the things we are bringing up would get laughed off.... If it's places like Storefront I'm not fecking surprised. Go over and circle jerk over there about PDP if it's a bit too much for you here...
He also follows Jake Paul, whose content he has consistently ripped the shit out of.
Just because he follows someone on twitter doesn't mean he agrees with everything they have to say.
Man, in most circles, they wouldn't know who you're talking about. That's the biggest bubble here that you've established yourself as being firmly within. It's hard to describe just how nonplussed the general public are about some bloke on the internet. It's fascinating to see you defend him with such vigour.
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Did he not speak out against this?
When did I say anybody's opinion isn't valid? I said that the notion that because most of redcafe holds a certain view that must mean it = the view of society at large, is total nonsense. And it is, all you have to do is take a look at the brexit thread to see that. If redcafe reflected the views of society, the world would be a very different place, but it doesn't. Acting like it does is wrong.
I have stated it, numerous times. I haven't moaned about poor old pewdiepie, I've put up a defence of what he's done, there are plenty in here who seem just as obsessed with condemning him but that doesn't seem to get as much attention.
In other circles (no, not fecking stormfront) a thread accusing Pewdiepie of being an influence for white supremacy would absolutely be laughed off. I'm not calling for a circle jerk, I'd just rather people didn't act like because this thread is so against him/meme culture/his fanbase, it means that everywhere is.
So he's not responsible for what he says, does or listen to?
How does that make sense?
He did, called it disgusting and said that he would never condone it, also donated to the memorial park to help pay for its removal.
But yeah, let's post it without any context in a thread accusing him of being an influence for white supremacy, because that's super responsible and fair.
He basically follows people so he can make content on them.
On the “subscribe to pewdiepie” it’s the biggest meme going in the YouTube community, everyone was using it for views.
I didn't think he flew over and did it himself
He's absolutely responsible for what he says and does, and rightly suffered consequences when he acted like an idiot on a couple of occasions.
But he's perfectly allowed to follow a few controversial figures on twitter without it meaning he publicly condones everything they stand for, he follows multiple people that he's spoken out against in the past.
I knowOdd response. I didn't suggest you did
You’re wasting your time mate. You’ll never convince this lot that this stuff is in any way nuanced. Either you’re with them, or you’re part of the problem.
Most circles Maaaan where the feck do you hang out?
Maaaan where the feck do you hang out?On the contrary, we’re the ones saying it is nuanced, he (and presumably you?) are the ones claiming it isn’t.
Just memes innit? Lolz. Normfags. Also, we’re all saying he basically did this himself. And we’ve all absolutely definitely said that.
Of course, but of people that know and 'care' about pewdiepie, there's no way that overwhelming opinion would be the same as posters on redcafe. The idea that posters in this thread represent the 'strength of opinion' is absurd.
Obviously a majority of people won't even be aware of his existence, he's a youtuber.
I was more referring to the fact that he’s apparently supposed to condone every single thing that everyone he follows ever said
Most circles
Most circles which are relevant to the discussion, i.e people discussing pewdiepie on youtube, reddit, twitter .. wherever on social media.
Obviously I wouldn't exactly expect the subject of pewdiepie to come up with the checkout girl the next time I'm at sainsbury's.
It's simply another number in the equation.
I can't see why your such an apologist though. You seem to be seperating the times when he was 100 percent in the wrong with the other examples in this thread as if he somehow deserves the benefit of the doubt.
You say this like it's a bad thing, Libcafe, I mean RedCafe is a great site as far as I'm concerned, which is why I'm still here. Having moved on from other sites that have entertained some of these isms and feckries that are creeping into loads of sites across the internet.
You love to talk in absolutes. Everyone does this, or everyone thinks that.... but what the feck do you know? You canvassed the general public? You're in your bubble just like everyone else. Heres a tip stop talking and start reading...
It's only you that thinks that, nobody here thinks that Libcafe, I mean RedCafe reflects the opinions of the wider public. Is it even trying to?
As you know there's a lot of feckries going on right now, does it need to be in here too? Do we need some alt-righters in here to give you the balance that you need? Don't get your arguement...
Bang on mate.
I don't know though, I had a bit of trouble getting across my point that it's clearly not straightforward a few pages ago.
Some want to blanket call pdp himself a nazi, whilst others are happy to bury their heads in the sand as to whether or not people are jumping on these memeslol and using them to communicate their hate. It's perfect for these fecks to hide away in.
Just fecking with you man
I know what you meanHe’s supposed to condone the really bad stuff that explicitly references him, yes. Of course he is. That’s what anyone in the public eye is supposed to do. PDP though apparently lives in a special, brand new, contextually untethered new realm of being, whereby he’s simultaneously one of the biggest and most influential people on the planet, so big that the philosophy of his followers is irrelevant, but also small and insignificant enough a fringe figure that he doesn’t need to be held responsible for his influence, or have it anyway critiqued or analysed, like any normal celeb, like, say, a TV presenter or an England captain, would.
It’s all just memes. All of it. MEEEEEMEEEEES!!!! LOLZ!!
Who?
It's a bad thing when people in this very thread (and in others) have tried to put across a different view and get aggressively ganged up on, usually by the same few posters.
I don't even know what the rest of your post is trying to say. I never said redcafe should try to reflect general opinion, but it would be nice if certain posters didn't use the fact that a majority on redcafe disagree with you as evidence that the weight of opinion is against you. That's all. All I'm asking for is some recognition that current events on this site is no great reflection on the views of society as a whole, just like the views of people on youtube don't necessarily reflect society as a whole. You say I need to start reading, but you've immediately jumped on me when all I did was push back against the idea that this thread is an accurate summary of how most people see pewdiepie/his association with the alt right.
What the feck do I know? Just that this place is far from some neutral arbiter. The brexit thread should tell you all anybody needs to know about that. It doesn't need to be neutral, but if we're turning around and going 'well redcafe sides with this, so the rest of the country/internet/world must agree with that' then that's clearly incorrect.
You don't need to be alt-right to hold opposing views, why are you throwing everybody under the same bus? We have some posters on here though who are clearly very, very far to the left and express very fringe opinions on numerous subjects. Again though, that's fine and this place doesn't need to let in anybody it doesn't want to, but don't then turn around and act like because most people in the thread agree with you, you must be right.
People that laugh at Nazi memes might not be political but they are a big part of the problem.
Do you also take Trump's tweets as proof of everything he claims?
People who like dark humour are part of the problem? Do you have the same views on people who enjoy South Park, which has frequently delved in to edgier territory than Pewdiepie ever has? They just do it better, and on the right kind of platform.
And no, I don't. But people were consistently saying that he had never distanced himself from the alt right/spoken out against them, when clearly he has done so. Whether that's how he really feels about the situation I don't know, I don't know the man personally and I don't think being edgy on the internet equates to a political stand.
edit: I'd also argue that what he said was more decisive on the issue than anything I've heard Trump say. He clearly states he wants nothing to do with them and that they are hateful people, he doesn't say 'there's bad people on both sides!' or anything along those lines. He also immediately came out and called the shooter disgusting and raised awareness for a charity which is helping the families of the deceased.
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Why do you keep doing this?
And where did I say anything that contradicts the main part of your post?
or say rock stars like Marilyn Manson or Judas Priest or Slayer or AC DC etc.
South Park is almost always making a political point, and is regularly criticised for it. Both things we are apparently not allowed to attribute or broach when discussing Pewdiepie (PBUH)