Besides nothing suggests that Zidane does so, it's all speculation from media.
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Pogba Future
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Of course there are many ways of playing football but currently two brands dominate clearly. You could maybe make a case for a third, being the Conte/Simeone/Allegri/Mourinho way but it' s been some time since one of those won a trophy of note against competition on eye sight or even above it. The problem I have with these styles is that you never want to play them if you are the superior team. You admit that the other is better than you and bet on fluking a result. And against weaker teams, you simply win through individual - mainly because your opponent plays the same way you play against stronger ones.
And then there are coaches like Heynckes or Ancelotti who don't have a clear vision in mind but adapt their style to what's currently successful. Those work well, especially when they take over from a coach who stands for a certain system.
I really struggle to understand how one can't see the pattern. Every truly great or truly overachieving team of the past played one of those styles. The top four of the EPL do justblike the top four of the BL. La Liga has been dominated for years by Barca who also fielded the best team of our generation under Guardiola. In Italy, Napoli under Sarri gave the individually far and away superior Juve a run for their money. Spain and Germany, the best national teams of the last 10 years, which also won 2 euros and two WCs, play that way.
Yeah, there's a lack of anything very concrete coming from any interested party.
But then again, it would be very odd for Pogba and his agent to be so open about wanting a move if nothing in particular has been discussed behind the scenes.
Unless, of course, they have no genuine desire to move - only a desire to sign an improved contract.
Or maybe they're just fishing for offers ?
I've heard we are supposedly offering Pogba £500,000 per week. Which I think is ludicrous and something that he definitely doesn't deserve.
I read that they are getting 500m to spend. So maybe Zidane is trying to convince the board to spend it on Pogba but they may have other ideas.
Could be that too, yes.
Not a risk free game, that, though. United are in a decent position, really. If there's nobody willing to fork out - what - 150m or thereabouts, it could easily be spun as" wantaway Billy Big Bollocks not actually wanted by anyone".
Plus, he'll possibly not endear himself too much with his team mates, etc.
I have no idea, really. I dislike Raiola as much as the next United fan, but he's not a fool. He probably knows what he's doing, one way or the other.
Imagine that, payrise and make him captain. Id have even less respect for him if he stayed
Although I dislike Raiolas he seems a shrewd guy. I think he is holding for for as much as he can get, to get a fat chunk of the fee to line his pockets, as it was claimed he made £41m from Pogba's transfer to us.
Spot on. The man doesn't become who he is by luck, he knows how to make money for himself and his clients. One thing I'm noticing is that his clients rarely go on "strike" or skip training if they're in the middle of transfer sagas
So would I. I can't believe they offered that money and were willing to offer him captaincy as well as he has made is so plainfully obvious that he doesn't want to be here. I would like to get rid of him as soon as possible mate.
Wonder how much of a bonus he gets for renegotiated deals - probably a tidy sum too.
Good point. In fact, I don't think the "sulking, toxic Pog" scenario is all that likely. If he/they simply can't get what they want at this stage (big money move or big contract improvement), I think he/they will see the sense in "doing a Ronaldo", i.e. settle down for one more season.
Mind you, what a "non-sulking" Pog actually amounts to is another matter (I strongly suspect that's a less useful player than Ronaldo was for us in his last season) - but going on strike, downing tools, that sort of nonsense: no, don't think we'll see anything like that.
Interesting point which I have never thought about before mate but like you stated probable a decent amount.
Which equals what?
Ronaldo still had some very good numbers and performances in his last season. Pogba is a bit of a mystery, a big drop in performances can see him threatened for France for the Euros. I think he might coast it, not play near his best but just do enough, which is something we don't need
Conte has nothing to do with Simeone, Allegri or Mourinho and viceversa IMO. Sarri's Napoli is very different from Sarri's Chelsea and most likely very different from Sarri's Juve. In the end the only thing that count is results and you can get those thru different styles of football that are more affected by the type of players you can buy. If you have the luxury of buying everything you want like Pep, then maybe you can keep your style no matter what but for most managers that is not the case.
I get many people love possession style football with more offensive approach, but that is not necessarily the most successful one . Team wins when they have the best players not the best style
No i agree. He won't make a fuss. Will probably coast through the season though and we can't afford that.
He's coasted through every season, why would it be any different now.
Well if he has the same end product as last season and the team match him. We should make top 4. So hopefully he is no different
I honestly don't care about Pogba's career, why would I; I'm a Man United fan, not a Paul Pogba fan. If he's part of United being successful, great, if not, I don't care about him.
If Pogba didn't want to be here long term or only wanted to be with us while we were in the CL, then he shouldn't have signed a long contact. However he did.
Ergo we (or I should say Ole) have every right to play him as we see fit for the remainder of his contact, and if that means we decide that for the remainder of his contract he should play in the reserves, that's our right too. It is up to Pogba to make our team, not the other way round.
Maybe that's what Ole should do, forget about costing the club a hypothetical transfer fee or hypothetical future wins involving Pogba, send him to the reserves and remind the world that no player is bigger than the club or the manager, just like it was under Fergie
We don't pay him x amount of money stand on the pitch for 90/180 minutes a week, we pay him to put in the effort on the pitch, in the dressing room and on the training ground and to earn his spot in the team every single week.
If someone approaches is with an offer that we deem acceptable, then fine, well sell him, if not, he stays.
If Pogba didn't want to be here long term or only wanted to be with us while we were in the CL, then he shouldn't have signed a long contact. However he did.
Ergo we (or I should say Ole) have every right to play him as we see fit for the remainder of his contact, and if that means we decide that for the remainder of his contract he should play in the reserves, that's our right too. It is up to Pogba to make our team, not the other way round.
Maybe that's what Ole should do, forget about costing the club a hypothetical transfer fee or hypothetical future wins involving Pogba, send him to the reserves and remind the world that no player is bigger than the club or the manager, just like it was under Fergie
We don't pay him x amount of money stand on the pitch for 90/180 minutes a week, we pay him to put in the effort on the pitch, in the dressing room and on the training ground and to earn his spot in the team every single week.
If someone approaches is with an offer that we deem acceptable, then fine, well sell him, if not, he stays.
It's a synergy. Good systems make players look better, and good players make systems look better. Some systems require a certain base level of quality, like Pep's. Some systems are better to make a quality advantage count, others are better in making players punch above their weights. One alone won't win you anything anymore.
And yes, of course no time is the same and they differ in certain details but I think suggesting certain coaches and their teams don't belong in the same category is a silly thing to say. Yet, I'd say a functioning system is the bigger leverage than quality players. There are countless examples of teams consisting of superstars that were completely underwhelming because they had no system and were over reliant on individual class.
However, I think it's completely obvious that there are currently two dominant styles in the game which have proven to be the way to go if you want to win something. And it's been like that since probably 10-12 years already. Even Atletico Simeone used to be much more reminiscent of a Klopp team than they are now in the time they reached the CL final and won the league.
Haven't found the complete article.
Here is the video link
http://www.espn.co.uk/video/clip?id=27156535
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I’ve always thought this could end up being the solution. Much like the Rooney scenario.
Yep and like Rooney probably a fat new contract on the way
Probably controversial but I do believe he should be on ~425k and be the top earner at the club. He's our best player and big star worldwide. The Sanchez deal really put a few noses out of joint.
In a shite season he was our one player who did well. Yes it wasn't every game but the others around him were spectacularly poor.
In a shite season he was our one player who did well. Yes it wasn't every game but the others around him were spectacularly poor.
Sky saying Real Madrid are going to rival Barca for Neymar. They can’t possibly afford him and Pogba.
You want us to pay 425k pw to a player who doesn’t want to be here, and build our wage structure around Sanchez’s wage?
We’ll go bankrupt.
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Is this Marcotti guy reliable in any way?
He has probably been told that Madrid can't/won't do it this transfer window and will probably get more money in a contract extension.
Win for us as far as I'm concerned.
Win for us as far as I'm concerned.
Yeah fairly. Not sure which ‘tier’ he is but that’s a very flawed system anyway.
A whole lot ado about nothing. Pogba and DeGea are our only real world-class players so to think we'd be better off without either of them is just insane. I've been harsh on him too so I get it - personally there are times I have problems accepting both his work rate and general attitude - plus his constant flirtation with other clubs is an offense for sure and as unprofessional as it gets - but then again there are other times when he really shines and saves an otherwise useless day so... He's not the leader we need and he's not someone you can expect to carry the day every time - in fact we'll need others around him to pick up his slack at times - but he's still a star player no doubts and per now our top performer. I'd rather build a team around him that can make up for his shortcomings - and hopefully one that will motivates him to put in his best every single match - than to lose him.
Either way replacing him is no priority - there are other areas that are way more urgent so losing him will only add to our challenge.
Either way replacing him is no priority - there are other areas that are way more urgent so losing him will only add to our challenge.
I saw this video just now so it seems the spirits are high in the squad and Pogba seems committed. I'm fine with that, whatever is best for the club and I trust Ole in making the right decisions.
But what the hell was Young even doing there?
So typical of him.No idea but he has good reputation.
Perhaps pogba had to go public with the transfer request because everyome at United knows he wants to leave but they won't allow it to happen. His only option was to go public to try and accelerate his departure with the fans calling for him to be transferred as well.
Might not be the right way about doing things but he's done what he's had to.
If that’s the case and Pogba wants assurances we're headed in the right direction then maybe he should put in 100% every single game as he has the ability and talent to drag us through games and win but can’t be bothered sometimes.
I get it’s not on him alone but when you’re the star player much like Cantona was and Ronaldo was you’re expected to use that talent to turn a game with your ability or at least put in 100% every game, it sets the tone and an example for the rest of the team.
Looked in good spirits at open training session.
No we shouldn't build our wage structure around Sanchez. If there's one player who has the profile and contribution in the squad who should be a top earner then it's Paul Pogba, a player who's reaching his peak years. We don't know how desperate he is to leave, if he is then he's gone anyway.
The biggest problem is adding quality to the squad. If we as a club are not looking to spend then we shouldn't cling on to Pogba as there's plenty of teams doing well without him and he alone playing better than most isn't enough to make up the shortfall. The only time I've seen real quality in the last six years is Ibra and Pogba.