The only reason he wouldn't fit is because they will never pay the fee United would ask otherwise Pogba is an angel compared to some of their former players, he would be eaten alive by Kahn, Matthaus, Effenberg, Lizarazu, Van Bommel and many others. Also they signed Vidal while knowing that he had issues with alcohol, that Juventus were fed up and he was being less than professional at the time. Offer them Pogba for a reasonable fee and they take him.Hmm well, I still think Pogba wouldn't fit at Bayern
I concede that you might be right that my assessment of Bayern as a dramafree club is, well, completely wrong.
Pogba told the club he wants to leave
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According to https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...yern-juventus-manchester-city-psg-real-madrid realistically only Barca can afford him. PSG still mired in FFP.
I don't think he is a flop, but I also don't think that he is a 100m+ player. He isn't the kind of player, that will just fit into any system/team and perform.
My question wasn't just a slight dig, but I am genuinely wondering if Barca, Real or Juve would be willing to take this pun despite having top midfielders themselves. Maybe they are, but I don't think that it is a no-brainer. I read about him being linked to Barcelona and I just don't understand how he'd fit into this team. Bayern is never ever going to buy him for that kind of money, Woody won't sell him to City, so there would be only PSG left. PSG makes a lot of sense, considering that he is french, their midfield is underwhelming and they are willing to to throw money at players (if FFP doesn't restrict them).
Generally not that fussed about him leaving. Very inconsistent, flashes of brilliance but many, many wasted opportunities & loss of possession when trying fancy things.
Seems he has to have the team built around him in order for him to flourish, which we don’t do (apart from with Ronaldo - but he’s an exception to the rule).
Get rid of both Mourinho & Pogba. Neither are good enough for this club.
Seems he has to have the team built around him in order for him to flourish, which we don’t do (apart from with Ronaldo - but he’s an exception to the rule).
Get rid of both Mourinho & Pogba. Neither are good enough for this club.
No way we will get that for him.
anyone would take Pogba for "a reasonable fee", but United are never going to let him go for little money. This Bayern team had/has many difficult characters in it, but they are willing to give everything on the pitch. Even the likes of Robben and Ribery are usually putting in proper defensive shifts despite their age. Pogba strolling around wouldn't go down well with anyone in this squad.
I think a player bought for a record transfer fee was worthy of building a team around him. Shame that Jose views Paul as some mere cog in his mechanism.
Given Raoila I'd expect this to get done this summer. It's how the guy works.
Sad really, seemed a good fit at the time. He'll tear up an easier league, but isn't driven enough for the prem, where midfield tends to be a battle. Outside of De Bruyne, the other top teams all have workers in there.
Sad really, seemed a good fit at the time. He'll tear up an easier league, but isn't driven enough for the prem, where midfield tends to be a battle. Outside of De Bruyne, the other top teams all have workers in there.
Thank god there is a transfer window in 3 months. Get rid asap. Rotten apple to the core.
We agree then and the important thing with Bayern is that the culture of the club means that they can develop player's on pitch character.
I think Redknapp is actually talking sense on this one, if we got a new manager in do you really think Pogba will play levels above what he has currently done?
Even Pogba's best games still show glaringly obvious flaws in his game. He looks good when the whole team looks good. He's no leader.
I think they both need to leave.
Even Pogba's best games still show glaringly obvious flaws in his game. He looks good when the whole team looks good. He's no leader.
I think they both need to leave.
Not just Pogba but quite a few players likely would if we had the right manager.
That just speaks volume of those players if that were to be true. Does Pogba need a new manager to tell him not to sulk around on the pitch? Piss about losing possession?
He can still play Hollywood passes and score sensation goals, it's the fundamentals he seems to dismiss. I just can't believe that a new manager comes in and suddenly Pogba understands it's not all about him.
Whole team looks good when he plays well.
Time for him to go but are we confident that Ed can extract top dollar for him? Not exactly his strong point.
But who? Pogba's ego is going to be the size of the Death Star if he engineers Jose's sacking. We would need a beast to take this on plus the camp followers in the dressing room. Who would want to runaway and join this circus?
Think this would just go round in circles , I don't think you can name any team in the countries that has a good game without the CM playing well. I just think he need everyone else to work extra hard to cover his mistakes, not what I think a CM should do/ quite the opposite.
My point wasn't really about Pogba but about the fact that as a team the majority of players are underperforming
Sadly, I am starting to agree. Also De Bruyne might not be a work house but he seems the consummate professional, unlike Pogba.
You're missing the point, if we had the right manager the majority of our players would be playing better, it wasn't about Pogba specifically
Indeed, I mean it was not DeBruyne that was criticising Roberto Martinez's tactics for Belgium and how he is used in the side. Top professional that guy!
We won league titles with no midfield, we had Cleverley in midfield, out of form Carrick and past it Scholes, not to forget Winger/CM Giggs and Anderson. We barely had a proper midfield and that didn't stop us playing well.
Liverpool had midfield of Henderson, Milner, Wijnaldum and that didn't stop them playing well. (I know reply is what did they win).
Re, everyone else having to do extra work, here is the post by @Brwned which is relevant here.
He doesn't have to be a leader and like I said when we purchased him Pogba isn't your engine he is more like your spoilers. And every player has obvious flaws, the job of the manager is to combine players that mitigate each others flaws and accentuate their qualities. When you play Kroos and Modric without someone like Casemiro you expose both players' flaws, Kroos lack of speed and defensive nous/skills and Modric physicality, does that mean that one of them should leave?
Pundits are absolute morons, their evaluation of players is generally stupid because they compare them against a mystical player that doesn't exist, they do it with everyone and that's why they end up making stupid points like Messi wouldn't succeed in the PL. Gerrard had massive flaws too, he wasn't able to consistently dictate the game and really made a difference when Benitez accepted that fact and put him in a role that would maximize his qualities behind a mobile striker with an enforcer and a deep lying playmaker.
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Everything Pogba and his fat jabba the hut lookalike agent are doing is orchested and calculated. The want to force an out where the club will countenance a cut price fee. On the other hand, Mou thinks he’s doing a power play in front of the cameras but they both look tremendously stupid and petulant. Mou picking a fight yesterday for all to see played right into Pogba’s hands. Mou looked the aggressor here.
If this was happening at a rival I’d find it so hilarious. I mean this is farcical and it’s almost like a very bad over the top script for a football related drama which people would find utterly unbelievable. Yet it’s happening to Manchester United. Let that sink in.
Everton away in January. Pogba got finally played as an offensive midfielder and he has single handedly run the show on that day. There was no sight of any flaws in his game.
Even the professionals are coming out and saying changing managers doesn't suddenly make you change your game.
It's very simplistic to blame all of a players performance on a manager, incredibly convenient too. I mean watching Pogba do you really not see any of his bad play thats down to him? Really?!?
Oh great we're back to people saying he needs to be played offensively
That's BS. So are you saying that we shouldn't be interested on Serie A players anymore?
Is Jabba not on a percentage though?
Exactly and very good post. Every player is not complete players, they have their strengths and weakness. For example, Kante would be useless if we judge him on attacking metrics. You need someone who is good ball player beside him. Like you said, Kroos and Modric midfield wasn't balanced and introduction of Casemiro was the turning point.
Since Pogba isn't a player akin to Modric, Kroos, Pirlo, Scholes or even Carrick. Yes I do think so.Oh great we're back to people saying he needs to be played offensively
Looks like whatever happens we're fecked.
He flourished at Juve. The team structure wasn't built around him but it was built to get the most out of every player. Conte trusted him to fight for the team, which he did. Deschamps revealing he is a team focused player is not hearsay, it is the reality. These managers get the most out of him, Jose has failed to. He has also failed to get the best out of almost every other member of the first team squad. That is ultimately on him.
Pogba is definitely good enough for Manchester United. Getting rid of him would be madness, particularly if it is to pander to Jose's pride.
It doesn't make you change your game but a new manager(or vision since you don't need to actually change the manager) means new combinations, new ways of looking at a group of players and how they can interact with each others in a way that will allow them to exploit their qualities and hide their flaws. That's what tactics is all about when you look at your team and that's where managers fail, it's in the way they evaluate players individually, collectively and how they convey their message.
And which of those caused him to lose the ball on the halfway line the other day? Or take several touches every time to slow our play?
Well it didn't imply that. I find a very boring thing to talk about whilst a huge reason o hatred towards Pogba (just like Lingard). Dislking a player for what does off the field says more about the "fan" than the player
Players make mistakes, if that's the extent of your vision then there is no way to discuss.
You what does that? A player being played out of position burdened with defensive responsibilities that really aren't his game.
Are you saying De Bruyne isn't a worker? He really is - which is what separates him from the likes of Pogba. He's a highly talented team player who puts in a shift - which is what we used to have, but don't have with this flouncing jessie.
One of two players yes, the majority of the squad then its the manager simple as. The part about what pros as saying make sense if you are talking about a few individuals, not the majority of the squad. Again my point wasn't even about Pogba.
True, but I guess if his client is saying I want out at all cost, Jabba’s gotta conduct a scorch earth campaign, which is exactly what he and his client are doing at the moment. There is no way -none- despite what the Pogba fanboys say, that they have been the victim in all of this.