Not quite. We are still tracking below 90 points, at about 86.5 at the current rate. We’ve been good, but not winning the league good.
Still, we should be competitive in all the cups this year and cement our place as City’s nearest challengers.
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Still, we should be competitive in all the cups this year and cement our place as City’s nearest challengers.
Enough to win the league most seasons. 86 is about the average.
Aye OP should be careful, the Pep and City entourage will be relentless.
It’s a point total that is circumstantially enough to win the league, but I wouldn’t settle for and shake on that total if I had genuine aspirations to win the league.
Chelsea were run away champions last season. They spent more than 175 million during the summer. I would be pretty happy being 3 points ahead of them - it essentially means, we have improved a lot. Unfortunately, City have improved much more and are playing on a different level currently
In the words of the immortal Ricky Bobby, "If you're not first, you're last". We are Manchester United. Nothing other than winning silverware is worth a celebration...
Why does it matter that we're higher than them in today's table then? If we're not first.
There are 19 teams who won't win the PL title this year. Are you saying they should all just mail it in every game?
Here's something to be positive about: excluding the current season and the two chelsea seasons were he was sacked, Mourinho's home record in the league since 2004 reads: 209 games, 501 GF, 141GA, 117 clean sheets, 160W 44D 5L, 76% wins, 83.5% points available
This season at home: 9G 8W 0D 1L, 22GF 3GA
You're almost there, next season should see you challenge for the league
PS: his madrid spell accounts for 191 GF(
) and 52 GA, but also 2L.
This season at home: 9G 8W 0D 1L, 22GF 3GA
You're almost there, next season should see you challenge for the league
PS: his madrid spell accounts for 191 GF(
) and 52 GA, but also 2L.I'm applying your own logic here. You said the place didn't matter if neither were the first — why should it matter now then?
It's absolutely unreal how spoiled some of our fans are, any other year and we'd be challenging for the title at this points pace.
I guess being second is enough for some people, even though many of us criticised Spurs fans for being happy with their recent league finishes...
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Sometimes we need to be realistic. We finished 7th, 4th, 5th, 6th last 4 seasons. 2nd would be a big step forward and if not for city's record breaking run, we would be right up there.
Mourinho is having his typical second season but, it does not matter because of City.
In terms of position it's progress but 2nd place isn't a trophy. At the start of the season everyone believed we had a shot at the league and that our squad could compete with City's and Chelsea's. Now however, it's all moving goalposts, backtracking on expectations, and painting us as plucky underdogs coming up against evil empire city. Mourinho has spent the money and had as much time as Guardiola, and we're 11 points off the pace. We're not gonna make that back this season unless they collapse. And when summer comes we'll spend and maybe fill all our gaps, but so will City and with their unlimited funds they're gonna be even better. I'm not happy being second, least of all to those blue cnuts and that sanctimonious knob Pep. If the summit of our ambition this season is top 4 and maybe a cup then we're no better than teams like Liverpool, Spurs and Arsenal.
Title challenge was a realistic expectation before the season started. We are 11 points off only because of city's record breaking run, any other season we would be first right now. We are behind city now same way we are behind them for 5 seasons now. Pep got much better squad which was only lacking world class manager and maybe a few signings. They got it all now, that's why they are probably going to win the league smashing all records. It's clear as day we are seriously lacking talent in certain positions and playing most of the season without the only midfielder who is able to hold on the ball is not easy.
If we are still here at the end of the season we can say this.
Second place in the league and the only team better than us have posted the best 18 game start in EPL history. Won our CL group and we're going into the knockout round as clear favorites in our tie.
Given the lack of world class players in this squad, we should all be pretty damn happy with this season so far.
Given the lack of world class players in this squad, we should all be pretty damn happy with this season so far.
Ok Ricky Bobby.
Do you believe Chelsea with a full strength 11 would beat our full strength 11 tomorrow?
If you do then you're either entirely wrong (remains to be seen) or just wrong to call yourself a United supporter.
Sick of the disinterested objectivity in here. Allow yourself to be a little subjective and get behind your team! Or are cold hard facts all that matter in football now?
It certainly wasn't facts that made us fall in love with the game or our respective clubs.
So long as there is a solid argument to be made that we are the better side we as united fans should be making it. If you want to be a neutral own and declare it.
Hold up there kiddo.
Being a supporter of something, doesn't mean blind faith or obedience, this isn't 1931, and this isn't Germany. Supporting something, means being honest about something. Whether or not his opinion on Chelsea being a stronger team right now is accurate or not, the only thing a person or thing can expect from a support, is honesty. That is his honest opinion. The last thing a person or thing needs is sycophants, like yourself.
The only way to improve, is to be honest with yourself, to receive honest opinions that hopefully are accurate assessments. Saying "We're better, because reasons!!!!!!!" Isn't useful, and its what led us into this very situation that the club has been in since SAF retired.
I agree
If we were that much better than chelsea we would not have lost at their ground, to be honest we are on that kind of level where chelsea, spurs, liverpool are at, and its how it will be in europe
For me while I agree city have set a bench mark that is remarkable, it also unmasks and exposes Mourinho's whole philosophy in how the team should win and play the game, where Mourinho should be seeing his teams do more and play better, is the team that depressed whats going on in Manchester? that its a gut wrenching experience what they doing. But the team is not ruthless and they don't play with no fear, it also never helps some of the players playing week in week out in this team are not good enough. Like we have said, we need a better LB, more creative midfielder to play alongside pogba and matic, a better winger and I would not rule out a better striker, so in all the style of play along with the some of the holes in the team is a factor. We also got to go back to summer 2009 when we were PL champions and looking at the team before ronaldo and tevez moved on, compare what city were doing between summer 2009 present, its a combination of summers 2009-12 of signings some pretty weak players, we then hire Moyes who guts our playing staff, then sent his bags packing in april who Moyes really set us back, we brought in VG who I would not say has done a horrible job, but it never helped us either, and then Jose comes in who I don't think has elevated how we play other than win a few trophy's and play some ok to underwhelming football, and here we are really.
The only question is? is Mourinho going to go to the drawing board? and say, what am I doing wrong? how can it be improved? and getting this team looking scary, because this conservative approach teams feel they have a chance, they saying this team is not going to rip us apart we have a chance. So I think Mourinho must look at how he's got his team's playing, and look at a better approach. Because it wins him games, but if he wants the major medal's this approach is not going to work. Fergie ripped up his clipboard and thought if a new approach to beat Mourinho. Maybe the team is partly depressed because they part of a new generation where the red side of Manchester is getting blown away by the blue side, and we feeling the shadow not the other way around. It also hurts big time this time 10 years ago we were setting the blue touch paper with fergie ronaldo rooney and tevez, we look at what we have its lukaku leading the line backed up by a pretty ridged style of football that is not inspiring or exciting, it can be pretty depressing lol
Okay no probs. I think there is a sense of top 4 is good enough to some people and while I may agree sometimes (especially when City are in The form of their lives).
that was definitely wasted on me
Wouldn't surprise me if Chelsea finished above us unless we get some reinforcements in attack. We're definitely better than Arsenal, Spurs and Liverpool though.
If I wanted an honest debate I would join a general football forum.
I did not. I joined a United forum, because for something as insignificant as football I want to speak to people who like the same team as me. Who will be hapoy and sad with me based on that team.
Clearly this is not a United forum. It's Bluemoon #2.
The fact that you can compare following a football team and wanting to focus on that team and give it the benefit of the doubt to nazi Germany is ridiculous.
I am not claiming that United are better than City or anything so outrageous thay nobody in their right mind could argue. I am claiming they are better, right now, than Chelsea. That is not too unreasonable a claim and should be the rule on a forum purportedly in favour of United, not the exception.
I don't come on here to fight my team's case against fans of other clubs. I come on to talk to other fans who favour United, unfortunately I struggle to find any such individuals these days...
Of course our results demonstrate that we are improved from last year and a second place finish at the season end should be seen as good progress. I suggest a lot of the dissatisfaction stems from the poor standard of our attacking performances over the last 2 months and the tendency to retreat into a very defensive system.
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I'm very happy with our progress. One more summer and we will be special
The forums are dire, just like Mou's brand of football. We are not going to win the title this season, also not finish below top4. Even if Mou is a CL specialist, he does not have the players yet to beat the giants this season. City will be looking strong next season as well, so everyone is depressed, more of the same.
Pool fans have a more exciting season then us. They battle for Top4, they play super duper dortmund football. If their attacking click, they can be scary even for the giants in the CL. They hope for a more stable top 4 next season and can achieve that.
Pool fans have a more exciting season then us. They battle for Top4, they play super duper dortmund football. If their attacking click, they can be scary even for the giants in the CL. They hope for a more stable top 4 next season and can achieve that.
Agreed. I think the size of the rebuild of the shipwreck left from the other two cowboys was utterly ginormous to say the least. Jose is not getting the credit he deserves for turning it around even though at times it can be tedious. We still lack a flair forward or two to really cut teams to shreds but another summer and Jose will get it right while Martial and Rashford will only get better. Weigl and Bale perhaps in the summer.
This.
You just wrote a lot of bullshit.
Here is why what you said was stupid. The essential point of your hissy fit was, I don't want logic or rational discourse, I want to feel and make up my mind based on no evidence just because.
Whether or not Chelsea or United is stronger right now is irrelevant, and I don't care about that. It doesn't matter, one team will finisher higher than the other at the end of the season and that is all that is going to matter. What I do care about is, people living in a fecking fantasy world, where they blindly believe one thing because they want to. As John Oliver would say, Cool.
Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby. A Will Ferrell movie, where he plays an uneducated redneck stock car racer, whose motto in life is "If you're not first you're last" because his drunk dad said it to him once before he left the family.Okay no probs. I think there is a sense of top 4 is good enough to some people and while I may agree sometimes (especially when City are in The form of their lives).
that was definitely wasted on me
To sum up your summary... I want a positive outlook on my team on my teams forum.
Not so unreasonable, but you keep convincing yourself you're way is the only way.
Exactly.
Enjoy some of the battle to get back on top instead of bitching all the time and worshipping City.
Personally, I can't stand them, and I can't wait for us to get back above them. I don't know when it will happen, but I'll enjoy the journey to get there, and I'll for sure enjoy away wins in the premier league. The shitty league with 5/16 left in th Champions League.
Wonder if we will be able to keep it up throughout the season. Been a bit lethargic/disinterested in our play since the City game. Need a big win to get the confidence levels up.
Let's go for a 'mirrored upgrade' on last season (UEFA and 6th)... focus on win Champions League and 2nd in PL...
I was initially expecting PL 3rd and QF CL going into this season so I'd be more than happy with the above.
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We have a flair forward (Martial). What we don't gave though is a single world class attacker and we have only 2 world class midfielders. So I marvel when people moan that we are not on City's level. We have to add those next two windows.
That's an extremely narrow way of looking at life and football.
I think a lot of pundits will take credit for predicting that whoever is better than United will win the title.