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I read this morning that when City took the lead in the 12th minute City had taken 112 touches of the ball.
United......11
United......11
I read this morning that when City took the lead in the 12th minute City had taken 112 touches of the ball.
United......11
Not even mad tbh. Once Pogba was out we know this was bound to happen. We're a nothing team without him and the gulf of quality between both teams is ridiculous.
Won't even blame the players, except Matic.
I read this morning that when City took the lead in the 12th minute City had taken 112 touches of the ball.
United......11
Don't think Paul would have made much difference. He was awful against Juventus and the way this game went he would have not been much better. Him playing might have changed City's thinking a bit, but that is all. When Paul is good he is really good, when he isn't he can actually be as big a liability as anyone else.Irrelevant if Pogba plays or not, he's as inconsistent as the rest of our team,
We are not suddenly world class when Pogba plays and its time this mentality stopped.
Would we have been better with him playing? Yes.
Would it have affected the style of our play? No
Would City still have outclassed us? Yes
Baffling logic.
Every Man City players works harder than any of our lot. They are more motivated, hungrier to win. They are tactically better, technically better and they're fringe players are better than anything we can currently start with.
The gap between us and them is massive.
Saying we didn't have Pogba is a very lazy excuse
You sat down and watched it again?Just watched highlightes again from match and you can clearly see the difference in a well coached team. Pep has been gifted with a good squad and was given the money to buy his players that fits his style and play but you can't take it away from that Man City are a well coached team, hard work on training pitch with his players. Pep 3rd year now and he has his team well drilled, they play same way every game. Mourinho 3rd year and we gave gone backwards. No style to our play. We will graft out results and wins and it's not pretty. This excuse of Mourinho not getting backed in the transfer market because I don't think we would of improved in our style of play. He said we were well equipped in the attack department after Sanchez but we have got worse in attack.
Again, I'm not.
Just that all three City goals were awful defending (individuals and team). Or do you think the defending was ok?
Look where several of Mou's highest profile signings were. On the bench (Sanchez, Lukaku, Fred). Who do you blame for that now?I just realized that from the starting XI yesterday it was only 4 pre-Pep players for City and 9(!) pre-Mourinho players for United.
Pep had a much better starting point with the City squad and has spent A LOT more than Mourinho. Who's to blame, Mourinho or Woodward + Glazers? Could make a case that none of Mourinho's transfers has really worked out though.
kicker.de not sugarcoating things in their match report: "United clinically used their big chances, meaning the one they had."
Embarrassing really. Fecking get stuck in, foul them, press them, whatever... But don't just let them pass it around with so much fecking ease.
44 passes? Embarrassing.
Funny thing is this is what LvG was trying to get us to do, difference being, City have an end product, we didn't.
Look where several of Mou's highest profile signings were. On the bench (Sanchez, Lukaku, Fred). Who do you blame for that now?
LVG had good intentions but went about it the wrong way.
Not dropping Rooney, signing mediocre talent (with a couple of exceptions), wanting players to take an extra touch on the ball in the box. I wonder how LVG would have done if he was City manager and had unlimited cash. Sancho and Foden would most likely be first teamers.
I have MUTV and only now watch it for the U-18's and the women's game. I rarely re-watch games as if I didn't enjoy them first time round, why would I sit through it again.First game of the season i've switched off, just before we scored the pen. I was sat there watching it and it was just making me depressed and I started to think. What am I actually getting from this? It's just no longer enjoyable to watch and i've served my time by watching pretty much every game from the Moyes and LvG era....
It was the pen xD1 shot on target.
It is a mess and their priorities are wrong. As it says they have three different people, employed by three different manager, three different philosophies. No wonder we don't have a style. I want to scream.How much truth do United fans potentially see in this article, in particular the section I've pasted
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...-United-use-scouts-arrived-former-bosses.html
Despite the controversy over City's actions, as revealed by Football Leaks, no one doubts that they run an efficient football project. Chief executive Ferran Soriano and director of football Txiki Begiristain are universally respected.
Agents who dealt with both clubs this summer report that City's strategy and presentations on why they wanted to sign a player and how it was envisaged he would fit into the team were far better than United's. At Old Trafford there are several staff all with titles suggesting they will have a significant input into transfer strategy, all of whom have been appointed under different managers.
So Jim Lawlor, appointed by Sir Alex, is chief scout. Head of Global Scouting is Marcel Bout, appointed by Van Gaal. Head of Development is John Murtough, appointed by David Moyes. Clearly Jose Mourinho has a voice in signings, and all would need the ultimate approval of executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward. Add in the fact that United's desire to dominate the social media world seems to be a diversionary obsession.
The pitch to sign Paul Pogba included analysis which showed how many more interactions he generated on social media when linked to United rather than Real Madrid. That may be the way of the modern football world, but it would have been anathema to the United of Sir Alex.
There is no intrinsic problem with having a variety of voices contributing to an area as important as transfer acquisitions. Liverpool have a transfer committee which has worked very well. And at City, Guardiola, Soriano and Begiristain liaise.
Yet, crucially, those three share a vision, inspired by Barcelona, for whom they all worked previously, and Johan Cruyff, for whom two of them played. United have a multitude of voices with fundamentally different ideas of how the game should be played.
'The recruitment plan has been all over the place,' said Gary Neville last month. 'And it has been driven by each manager at the time. And each manager has got a different philosophy and values, so you've got three or four different sets of players from three or four different managers.
'If you have a central philosophy and value it means you always bring players in who fit this profile. Then the coaches always fit around that, and you'd probably be OK
Beat them last year tho so how does that workWe are not going to beat them. Atleast not with this tactics. We need some new players as well.
We had Pogba and Sanchez in that game and actually showed some fight. Yesterday neither the players or manager showed much.Beat them last year tho so how does that work
Irrelevant if Pogba plays or not, he's as inconsistent as the rest of our team,
We are not suddenly world class when Pogba plays and its time this mentality stopped.
Would we have been better with him playing? Yes.
Would it have affected the style of our play? No
Would City still have outclassed us? Yes
Baffling logic.
Every Man City players works harder than any of our lot. They are more motivated, hungrier to win. They are tactically better, technically better and they're fringe players are better than anything we can currently start with.
The gap between us and them is massive.
Saying we didn't have Pogba is a very lazy excuse
City it is the coaching. Bringing in all those players wouldn't work without good coaching. They all know the system and where they fit in it. We just chuck 11 players out there and hope it works. He has been lucky this season that his subs have got us out of a hole.I agree with your assessment. To me there was a staggering difference between the two teams.
City play as a coordinated until such that they are far more than the sum of the 11 players. At times it looks like they have 13 or more players all moving as a unit and all knowing where and when to pass and run.
United play as 11 individual players with little coordination and very rarely knowing what the next pass or run should be.
The gap between them and us is increasing which is quite depressing. I have to say that the primary difference is the quality of coaching. Playing like City is far more than simply money and it must take an incredible amount of time to get to that level.
I am tired of Mourinho's approach to games to be honest.
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We should have attempted to at least stop them playing. To just let City have the ball is as suicidal as going gungho. We needed someone to pick Silva D up for a start.As much as I'm firmly in the Jose out camp, if we played open attacking football yesterday against City we'd have lost by 6 or more goals. We are a very, very poor team.
We should have attempted to at least stop them playing. To just let City have the ball is as suicidal as going gungho. We needed someone to pick Silva D up for a start.
I hear what you're saying, but, how do you expect us to stop them from having the ball? Look at the third goal, we tried press them at the half way line and they completed 90% of the passes that lead to the goal.
Gulf between the sides was obvious.
- One side was positive, creative, etc... the other was incapable and tried to defend for their lives.
- But it doesn't matter how many men you keep back in your box... if they can't defend well, we're gonna concede.
- Smalling has always had the physical attributes to be a top defender, but not only does he lack technical skill but he can't read the game.
- Don't we have any creative midfielders other than Pogba? (Fred? Pereira?) Without him, we don't have a clue. We played with three defensive midfielders today, so it's no wonder that our only goal came from a penalty.
- City are simply a different class from us - we are so clearly the inferior team and it's heartbreaking to acknowledge that. We're beating them in terms of revenues and profits, but not on the pitch, not in the league table. Why?
- It's only November, I know, but let's face it, any fantastical title aspirations we may have had are gone. It's all about Top 4 now. I thought Spurs were having a lackluster season... today I realised they were 7 points ahead of us.
I hear what you're saying, but, how do you expect us to stop them from having the ball? Look at the third goal, we tried press them at the half way line and they completed 90% of the passes that lead to the goal.
Anthony Taylor