Frank Grimes
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Smalling had another poor game. Terrible player.People having a go at Smalling
The free kick was given away almost on the half way line, should never have got to the stage of even being a threat on goal.
Smalling had another poor game. Terrible player.People having a go at Smalling
The free kick was given away almost on the half way line, should never have got to the stage of even being a threat on goal.
He was mostly responsible for their goal. He gave away the free kick + got yellow carded. And during the free kick, he literally assisted* the goal scorer when he hit the ball with his right foot.I don't understand this Smalling criticism at all. He was the best player for us yesterday.
I couldn't watch the game so I can't tell if Smalling was having a good or bad performance but from what I see in the goal replay, yes he did assist the goal BUT it wasn't completely his fault, Matt Ritchie comes completely isolated walking into our area, Where was Matic? Valencia or any other should have marked him. It was a defensive mistake that cost us the game.He was mostly responsible for their goal. He gave away the free kick + got yellow carded. And during the free kick, he literally assisted* the goal scorer when he hit the ball with his right foot.
*not without one our players (Phil Jones?) who left Newcastle with an open header.
Giving away a free kick at around the halfway line is being responsible for the goal? And 'literally assisted the goal scorer'? Which match are we talking about?He was mostly responsible for their goal. He gave away the free kick + got yellow carded. And during the free kick, he literally assisted* the goal scorer when he hit the ball with his right foot.
*not without one our players (Phil Jones?) who left Newcastle with an open header.
Not giving away the free kick means no goal from said free kick, and the ball came off of Smalling's right foot into the path of the goal scorer. It's no question that he has to take most of the responsibility for that goal.Giving away a free kick at around the halfway line is being responsible for the goal? And 'literally assisted the goal scorer'? Which match are we talking about?
You should have been kind and replied by saying that Man Utd are no longer coached how to attack, not even coached how we get into the box. We are only drilled or coached how to defend, it shows, and we still find ourselves with massive gaps, especially in midfield. Really, I don't think we can be identified with a style of football. We just pass it around without any purpose and wait until something breaks into the box.My girlfriend and I spent the weekend in Dublin for an early Valentines surprise and today we had a few drinks in a pub and some lunch while the football was on (I timed that well). She has never watched a football match in her life and she is totally uninterested in football but today she paid the game about 5 minutes worth of attention in total. I was obviously in a bad mood while the game was on and at the end, she asked me why the players are all playing individually and not playing as a team, not passing together in triangles and not attacking as a unit. Those were her exact words and that coming from her, after her first ever 5 minutes of football, really does highlight our problems. Let’s hope the guys getting paid millions can fix it.
Neither good enough to make a genuine difference plus as much as Herrera has been found out in my opinion until we get lingard out the starting 11. We are going to toil as he is not a starter quality for me and I’ve watched him a few seasons now and this is his best season by far too.Matic was very lazy yesterday, his passes kept getting intercepted and he didn't challenge his man during the goal we conceded, maybe he needs a bit of a rest, now that Carrick is able to play, I hope Matic gets a breather.
I'm hoping Jose has to play Carrick and Pogba in midfield and then see that it'll be defensively weak, add Herera to that midfield for Lingard, and stumble upon the right formation.
Agreed, but till the time we can get someone, I'd rather we play a 433 with Herrera than the current 4231 with Lingard.Neither good enough to make a genuine difference plus as much as Herrera has been found out in my opinion until we get lingard out the starting 11. We are going to toil as he is not a starter quality for me and I’ve watched him a few seasons now and this is his best season by far too.
Couldn’t agree more but to be fair to lingard and I’m not his biggest fan as I can’t see it with him but he’s deserved a start of late due to his good form. But for me he won’t hold his form as his qualities are not there for me. Herrera over lingard in a 433 or even Fellaini over Herrera but ideally a new number 8 along side Matic (possibly 2 midfielders if we have the cash as Carrick will retire and Fellaini may move on alongside Herrera) but we also need a central defender as touched on and I think we are still an attacker short also. So still much work to be done and I don’t think any that is Jose fault in fact I’m glad he’s over seeing the changes as he signs very good players in general.Agreed, but till the time we can get someone, I'd rather we play a 433 with Herrera than the current 4231 with Lingard.
I dont get that. We hardly created anything, we play dull football. We dont dominate the game, let alone midfield. Our striker gets 0 service, when we attack, we usually lose the ball and look clueless. The few chances we create is based on an individual effort, there is no attacking strategy, pattern, whatever... at the back, we cant play the ball out, we just hoof it and everyone is panicking. We can invest and invest, but in the end our manager should be able to get the best out of the team and play good football!The performance in my opinion wasn't actually all that bad. We created enough chances to win, we've just got to take them. Jose can't make these guys finish their dinner, at some point they need to take responsibility and bury some of these chances for a lift.
The goal we conceded was poor, but the backline is still struggling and makeshift, we're short a couple of fullbacks and I think the quicker the summer window comes around for strengthening the better.
Stop making so much sense! This thread is for knee jerking and rage only!Or how about we put Sanchez on the right, Martial/Rashford on the left, and play Pog in a 3?
This is my problem, I think even if yesterday’s chances went in, it just covers the deficiencies that have been ever present throughout the season.Standards have dropped for some then. For me that was a terrible performance. They haven’t won at home in 4 months and yet they fully deserved to win.
Spot on. I thought we were very poor at a lot of aspect of the game but the chances were still there. On another day, we could've won that 3-1 (Martial 1v1, Sanchez open goal tight angel & Martial vs a wall of players).I've seen us play a lot worse than yesterday and grind out a result. Jose is spot on when he says we could have played for 10 hours and not scored - it was just one of those frustrating days.
Sometimes you will come up against heroic defenders and goalkeepers who just throw their bodies in the way and manage to deflect the ball away from danger every time. It was an incredibly annoying second half.
But I don't buy in to these comments I've heard from a few places that the effort wasn't there. Teams that aren't trying don't create 13 shots with 6 on target, or 10 corners. These are all things that come from United pressing, but we were playing against a team fighting for their lives and we got sucker punched because we didn't put any away. Even Benitez admitted that Dubravka could buy a lottery ticket and win.
I do however think that at least half of our shots on target should have been goals and what can Jose do about that? On any other day we could be sat here discussing a comfortable win but I do think there has been a bit of an over reaction to this result.
Good post. One can only hope something changes. We are still second though but atm so very far away from playing good football, lets see after chelsea and liverpool where we stand. Interesting to see how people react if we fall from top 4.
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I would be dropping Pogba long before Lukaku.We need to play with 3 proper central midfielders until we sort out our problems. Matic, Pogba and one of Herrera, Carrick or Fellaini. Martial on the left and Sanchez on the right. I'd also say drop Lukaku but I know that's never going to happen.
If that is going to be the level of Pogba's effort then he shouldn't start away from home again. A midfielder that can't play as part of a 2 man midfield is not fit to play at the top level.Smalling was awful. He didn't make a single successful tackle the entire match. Pogba was awful, Martial just looked not at it.
I think they're are a variety of options/solutions to try. But firstly I don't think we should ever play Pogba in a 2 man midfield again. My problems with him stem from the fact he holds on to the ball way longer than he should. Martial is also guilty of this. I think it stems from a kind of arrogance with Pogba in that he's of the opinion he can keep the ball for aslong as he likes because no one is good enoguh to take it away from him, almost like a "come and try i'll carry this until I choose to release it" type thing. So many of our attacks break down because we don't hit that killer pass first time, we allow the opposition to regroup time and time again.
On the plus side, I thought Lukaku had one of his best games for us, first touch, hold up and link play was all as I want to see from a target man. Lingard's movement was great as usual.
My solution is to play Sanchez on the right with Martial on the left With Pogba playing in front of two holding mids (McTom/Matic). Alternatively we could play Lingard on the right and Sanchez on the left with Martial rotating with Lukaku/Sanchez, with the latter moving out to the right when subs are made.
I think Big Ron would have put more effort in than Pogba in midfield yesterday, he can still jog faster also.The state of some of the people in this thread!!!
God help some of them if they had been a supporter in the Big Ron days and before - "Feck this team" - good grief!!
Football comes in cycles, seeing some of the vitriol against our OWN TEAM in this thread is shocking tbf - we can't win all the time.
LOL, true that.I think Big Ron would have put more effort in than Pogba in midfield yesterday, he can still jog faster also.
We know football comes in cycles. It always has, but you don't just sit there and say Oh well! Nevermind. You try to change the situation or it will be a long time before we see a league title again. I am sure some Liverpool fan likely said exactly the same thing as you. Yes some of the things said are OTT, but you should expect at least the basics to be done properly and the manager to as keeps being said, learn from his mistakes.The state of some of the people in this thread!!!
God help some of them if they had been a supporter in the Big Ron days and before - "Feck this team" - good grief!!
Football comes in cycles, seeing some of the vitriol against our OWN TEAM in this thread is shocking tbf - we can't win all the time.
I would love to know what is going on with Pogba yesterday, did he play even with an injury? Was he ill? Was he in a sulk being asked to help Matic out? Does he know he should be in a three and the manager decided on a two again even though it doesn't work?LOL, true that.
I do agree with this, and I find it as frustrating as the next person - however I didn't see the game as the sky falling we had 3 or 4 gilt edge chances. We were poor, we made poor decisions and put in very little effort. However, the Manger can't countenance finishing of such bad quality, or the fact that Pogba hadn't woken up. I'd hope he is not coaching these things on the training ground... which makes me wonder what on earth is going on.We know football comes in cycles. It always has, but you don't just sit there and say Oh well! Nevermind. You try to change the situation or it will be a long time before we see a league title again. I am sure some Liverpool fan likely said exactly the same thing as you. Yes some of the things said are OTT, but you should expect at least the basics to be done properly and the manager to as keeps being said, learn from his mistakes.
The Pogba situation could get really get out of hand if we are not careful. The press will be happy to fuel a problem as well. If Pogba is really in a sulk, to me he has not shown enough to be shown much sympathy. If he is injured then the manager maybe needs to wind his neck in a bit.I do agree with this, and I find it as frustrating as the next person - however I didn't see the game as the sky falling we had 3 or 4 gilt edge chances. We were poor, we made poor decisions and put in very little effort. However, the Manger can't countenance finishing of such bad quality, or the fact that Pogba hadn't woken up. I'd hope he is not coaching these things on the training ground... which makes me wonder what on earth is going on.
It's just that some of the comments in this thread are really OTT compared to the actual match. I was much much more annoyed at the Liverpool and Spurs game than this one.
Craig Pawson