Wing Attack Plan R
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How in hell was that not a foul on Bruno?
I thought this today too, He always goes back and resets the whole advantage of a corner.We had 3 corners today where within 3 touches, the ball was back with De Gea. 2 of those happened back to back within a minute of each other. I swear we do this more than any other team. It's nearly always Wan Bissaka too. He doesn't even look to assess who he could play the ball forward to whilst we've got them pegged back. He just turns under no pressure and drills it towards our own goal. Grim stuff.
Why? Because Pop Gladioli says we have to play his "tikki takki" style? If youve got the right players all playing as a team then you dont need 5311, 352, 541, or any other combination, just play good football.That’s madness.
Absolutely nailed it and sorry don't buy into our fans who say that should have been a foul in the buildup to their goal. The players know that referees are going to let the game flow more this seasonAs I've said before, we can spend all the money in the world but unless we learn to control games and open teams up through high quality possesion play, we won't win major honors. Under the current managerial regime we've never looked like doing that. Too reliant on pace, counters and moments of magic here and there.
Didn't you ever see England trying to play Gerrard and Lampard, two attacking midfielders, in a central midfield 2? It didn't lead to incredible attacking play.Why? Because Pop Gladioli says we have to play his "tikki takki" style? If youve got the right players all playing as a team then you dont need 5311, 352, 541, or any other combination, just play good football.
He simply hasn’t performed well at all yet. Doesn’t mean he won’t. But the idea the manager should’ve played him instead of Fred or Matic because that’s so obvious is a complete fallacy. It’s classic armchair hindsight fan management.So tell me then what sample size the manager has given for VDB to be fairly judged by our supporters? I can tell you that there was a fairly large sample size before he came to United that made him a highly sought commodity, and sadly for VDB, a move to Madrid failed to materialize. He can’t be blamed if the manager is clueless on how to use him. There is a potentially world class player being left on the bench who is not being given a fair shake despite the inferior lack of options ahead of him. This is indictment on Ole and our coaches for their failure to get the best out of him.
The midfield did not work at all in the first half, Fred was shocking. Why didn’t we atleast tried Donny and Matic who seems to click in pre-season. He eventually brought on MCT who he says was carrying an injury.He simply hasn’t performed well at all yet. Doesn’t mean he won’t. But the idea the manager should’ve played him instead of Fred or Matic because that’s so obvious is a complete fallacy. It’s classic armchair hindsight fan management.
I’m sorry other than the elitist “you’re just an armchair supporter” do you have anything to come back with? Ole hasn’t given VDB a fair chance, so how can anyone state that he would not have been a better option than Matic. All I can tell you is that the time Matic’s powers were waning, VDB was helping lead a young and exciting Ajax side to a whisker of the champions league final and was highly regarded amongst the big clubs in Europe. He’s done more to warrant an opportunity and patience than Matic based on his potential alone. This isn’t post match revisionism, it’s common sense.He simply hasn’t performed well at all yet. Doesn’t mean he won’t. But the idea the manager should’ve played him instead of Fred or Matic because that’s so obvious is a complete fallacy. It’s classic armchair hindsight fan management.
Yeah too true but Ole clearly has a personal problem with himI’m sorry other than the elitist “you’re just an armchair supporter” do you have anything to come back with? Ole hasn’t given VDB a fair chance, so how can anyone state that he would not have been a better option than Matic. All I can tell you is that the time Matic’s powers were waning, VDB was helping lead a young and exciting Ajax side to a whisker of the champions league final and was highly regarded amongst the big clubs in Europe. He’s done more to warrant an opportunity and patience than Matic based on his potential alone. This isn’t post match revisionism, it’s common sense.
Once the subs came on our momentum fell apart. We will definitely improve. It’s a shite performance against a team that will get battered by our rivals but maybe it’s just the wake up call Ole needs about trusting some of these squad players from the start of games. All will be forgiven the next long run we go on. We defended the set pieces quite well. If I never see Matic line up for us again it’ll be too soon though. Seems like a good guy but he’s not even good enough to be a backup and to be honest he wasn’t last season either, barely the season before. I think we will get a fresh controller in for midfield before the window closes. Neves would be my guess.Fred, Wan Bissaka and Maguire were poor but overall I thought we did enough to win last night and on another day we probably would have. Most disappointing was how we didn't push on after we equalised, however.
I agree with everything you said. And yes, a controller in midfield is not only a want at this point, but an imperative need.Once the subs came on our momentum fell apart. We will definitely improve. It’s a shite performance against a team that will get battered by our rivals but maybe it’s just the wake up call Ole needs about trusting some of these squad players from the start of games. All will be forgiven the next long run we go on. We defended the set pieces quite well. If I never see Matic line up for us again it’ll be too soon though. Seems like a good guy but he’s not even good enough to be a backup and to be honest he wasn’t last season either, barely the season before. I think we will get a fresh controller in for midfield before the window closes. Neves would be my guess.
Stop smoking whatever you are smoking. Not healthy.Am I the only one who thought that Fred had a really good game ?
no i don’t have anything to come back with because I made my point initially and that’s not changed. The conversation feels like it’s run it’s course to me. I respect your opinion, I just have a different one.I’m sorry other than the elitist “you’re just an armchair supporter” do you have anything to come back with? Ole hasn’t given VDB a fair chance, so how can anyone state that he would not have been a better option than Matic. All I can tell you is that the time Matic’s powers were waning, VDB was helping lead a young and exciting Ajax side to a whisker of the champions league final and was highly regarded amongst the big clubs in Europe. He’s done more to warrant an opportunity and patience than Matic based on his potential alone. This isn’t post match revisionism, it’s common sense.
No he’s played well in other games too. Where he’s not played well is when he’s given literally 5 or 10 minutes at the end of the game when all the best players have been taken off and when he’s not even had a consistent run of games. Fact is even when he was playing well, the second Fred or mctominay were fit, he was replaced. Then he lost confidence and form. When he has been given a full game it’s usually when he’s surrounded by the reserves. Stick him in the first team surrounded by quality players and give him a run of five or six games then let’s see how he does. He certainly couldn’t have done worse than our midfield today. And based on his resistance to the press, he’d probably have done a lot better.So your sample size is a meaningless game against Wolves at the end of the season - in a scratch side - and a preseason friendly. Honestly, I don’t even think it’s worth the time necessary to refute that point.
No chance. Mcfred will be our starting midfield in 90% of games this season barring injury to one of them.My only hope is that once we played with Maguire-Varane, the backline is solid enough without needing both McFred to play together.
I fecking hope this is the plan
If McFred still start with Maguire Varane, then Ole needs to go.No chance. Mcfred will be our starting midfield in 90% of games this season barring injury to one of them.
He's not going anywhere till at least the end of the year. Also he doesn't play Donny and Pogba has shown he's better with less defensive responsibility so we're kinda stuck for options. Surely you don't want Matic in there. What would be a cm grouping you're good with? A trio of Fred,Pogba,Bruno? Ole seems quite married to the 4-2-3-1 formationIf McFred still start with Maguire Varane, then Ole needs to go.
Ah, you didn’t mean never play out from the back? Just clear it when necessary. Yeah, I doubt Ole would disagree with that.It’s called a clearance. Better to give the ball away deep in opposition territory than in your own box.
Think you'll be in for a disappointment then as I believe that Varane is somewhat overrated in here whilst Lindelöf is underrated. The difference will not be that much. At least not enough to warrant a totally different setup.If McFred still start with Maguire Varane, then Ole needs to go.
No we need an 8./
Neves is more of a number-8 than NO-6, we need someone like Bissouma/Ndidi
Top ones are hard to find, and it's worrying that there are no signs of Ole looking.I agree with everything you said. And yes, a controller in midfield is not only a want at this point, but an imperative need.
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