SAF took way too long to shake things up. Maybe if Giggs had another 15 or so minutes we'd have won.
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Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
How many post/crossbar for RVP this season already ?
Is it possible to fine a player for such a bad performance?
Just frustrating. We were so sloppy in front of goal. Rooney in particular couldn't sort out his final ball or shot. Those extra points would have given us a commanding lead.
Sorry I should clarify, INDIVIDUAL performances.
Carrick was brilliant but Cleverley was very, very meh. He did nothing of note throughout other than some tidy passing.
Aye. How many teams can you say go to Swansea, have at least four or five players have a bad game and still deserve to win? It was just one of those days. One of those frustrating, frustrating days.
We should have won, and wasted so many good chances to do so. Rooney off form cost us big time, considering the main chances fell to him, and his passing was abysmal.
I thought we played some nice stuff at times. Persie up front was linking up very well with the others. Just that Rooney, Valencia but also, to a lesser extent, Young had stinkers.The way Val performs atm though is really worrying, he doesnt seem to get better at all and should really be dropped.
RAWKish to say we should tear him a new arsehole. Perfectly reasonable to point out that he let Swansea disrupt the flow of the game all day long plus some calls went against us.
Even with that we should have won but it wasn't a good performance from him.
Fair enough, I retract. Rooney at least was a shocker, but Valencia has been the same level all season. Any decent fulback can close him down.
Still the midfield and the defense were the least of our worries today.
i think kagawa could have a chance back in behind rvp and hernandez next match if he's fit,
3 - Evra was gash too
Great game to watch, on another day we could have won this by 5 goals. Unlucky with Van Persie's fantastic effort, and with Carricks header. Swansea got incredibly lucky with all their last ditch defending, and goal line clearances. Giggs had a very good cameo, and that is how he should be used, coming off the bench. Cleverley and Carrick were fantastic and our hopes of winning the game went away once cleverley did IMO.
Encouraging signs with Vidic at the back, started off a bit slowly but then did really well, as did Jones and Evans. Evra, apart from their goal, did okay defensively I though, and was really good in attack.
On the other hand though, Valencia and Rooney were awful. Not that concerned about Rooney as he has been in great form and he knew he was having a shit game today, but Valencia has been dreadful all season. In the form he's in right now, he's in contention for the worst winger in the league
It looks like he has absolutely no belief that he can beat his man, or even whip in a cross. Where before he would just run on the outside in smash it in the middle, now he looks like he will do that than stop, and take about 5 touches, turn right, turn back in, then pass to Jones. He is absolutely useless in this form.
Encouraging signs with Vidic at the back, started off a bit slowly but then did really well, as did Jones and Evans. Evra, apart from their goal, did okay defensively I though, and was really good in attack.
On the other hand though, Valencia and Rooney were awful. Not that concerned about Rooney as he has been in great form and he knew he was having a shit game today, but Valencia has been dreadful all season. In the form he's in right now, he's in contention for the worst winger in the league
It looks like he has absolutely no belief that he can beat his man, or even whip in a cross. Where before he would just run on the outside in smash it in the middle, now he looks like he will do that than stop, and take about 5 touches, turn right, turn back in, then pass to Jones. He is absolutely useless in this form.
First, the hat must go off to Swansea.
However, we dominated the second half but couldn't put away several chances we should have put away.
It was definitely a handball. You can see the defender lifted his elbow to block the shot.
The Swansea defender deserved a red card. I'd like to go over the video to see where the defender was when he committed unsporting conduct. It looked in the box on first view.
Shit happens. There will be days like this. Pissing and moaning is entirely appropriate.
However, we dominated the second half but couldn't put away several chances we should have put away.
It was definitely a handball. You can see the defender lifted his elbow to block the shot.
The Swansea defender deserved a red card. I'd like to go over the video to see where the defender was when he committed unsporting conduct. It looked in the box on first view.
Shit happens. There will be days like this. Pissing and moaning is entirely appropriate.
I thought our midfield did well enough. Our general play was good and positive. Our defense had a few lapses but they weren't anymore to blame than our attack. Obviously Rooney and Valencia were diabolical and it hurt is. But I also thought there were quite a few instance where Van Persie could've gone for a shot and over complicated things. He wasn't bad or anything, but I still would've liked him try a few more shots in stead of passes.
Oh I know yeah, the main blame lies with Rooney and Valencia.
You must be mad, Cleverley was decent and was the perfect foil for Carrick to boss the midfield.
Rooney and Valencias performances almost warrant a public apology from them, Jones was rubbish too.
Yup, mental post. Our midfield were good today. Dominated Swansea at their home ground, not many teams will do that this season.
yes. I was watching the match- I edited to say that I meant we were poor creatively in midfield- we were fine at retaining possession between Carrick and Cleverley, carrick was great overall, but Cleverley was poor going forward and the less said about Valencia and Young the better.
Defensively Evans was fine. Vidic was incredibly rusty, Evra was ripped to pieces and Jones have a nothing performance.
Btw do you guys think that was a handball?
Imo it was.
Imo it was.
I would've loved/hated to see the reaction if we bought Giggs on sooner, there's people still in the match day thread now moaning about him and Scholes for whatever unknown reason.
dropped bollock for me that. Did they even test DDG in the second half? If they did I don't recall it.
Those are the sorts of games you need to dig a win from. Swansea were rubbish second half and when we stopped just giving it back to them very very cheaply we seemed to be able to create chances for fun.
Rooney must have been on the piss last night.
Those are the sorts of games you need to dig a win from. Swansea were rubbish second half and when we stopped just giving it back to them very very cheaply we seemed to be able to create chances for fun.
Rooney must have been on the piss last night.
We should have won it with the chances we had. I cannot believe how people say Rooney is world class because he's quite clearly not. A world class player would be able to get even the basics right when not on form.
Why is everyone letting Evra get away with a shocker?
He scored yes, but gifted them their goal and continued to look piss poor defensively throughout.
He scored yes, but gifted them their goal and continued to look piss poor defensively throughout.
This is not a game where the centre mid was to blame. Wingers and Rooney had plenty of service, done feck all with it - simples.
How the hell can anyone say Cleverly played badly, did you watch the same game as me.
Him and Carrick completely bossed the midfield, for once our problem wasn't the midfield It was the forwards and Full backs.
Him and Carrick completely bossed the midfield, for once our problem wasn't the midfield It was the forwards and Full backs.
I'd have to see it again, which either means it's a tough call or I wasn't concentrating.
If he leant into it, yes. If not, I wouldn't call it as deliberate.
Harsh to blame the midfield for creativity when your two attacking player Rooney and Valencia are having stinkers.
In the first ten minutes after the second half, Rooney must have got two clear cut chances which he completely wasted.
No chance for me, firstly because it seemed to hit him in the chest, and second, his arms were right on his body. Not even a contentious decision IMO. Young was really the only one asking for it to be fair.
Davies from Young's shot?
Probably, bit harsh due to the speed of the shot and the distance but the arm was out.
On another day we would have scored at least 3 goals we were by far the better team, a few bad individual performances cost us in the end. Valencia needs time on the bench he's been shit all season but on the plus side Vidic got 90 minutes under his belt.
Plusses
- uncowardly Carrick
- Van Persie god like footballing ability
- Young maniac performance
- Giggs is still a good player when he's not being asked to do 2 people's jobs at once
- Vidic 90 minutes. Plus no longer has ability reducing haircut
Annoying things
- Rooney sabotage performance, and reluctance to remove it from the game
- Pointless Scholes substitution.
- Utterly pathetic goal conceding.
- Valencia slow motion bomb.
- Phil Jones doesn't actually know how to pass a football
Highlight of game
- Rooney actually managing to block one of his own shots...which was probably going off for a throw or own goal anyway.
- Michael Oliver trying to tell footballers off when he looks about 8 years old
- uncowardly Carrick
- Van Persie god like footballing ability
- Young maniac performance
- Giggs is still a good player when he's not being asked to do 2 people's jobs at once
- Vidic 90 minutes. Plus no longer has ability reducing haircut
Annoying things
- Rooney sabotage performance, and reluctance to remove it from the game
- Pointless Scholes substitution.
- Utterly pathetic goal conceding.
- Valencia slow motion bomb.
- Phil Jones doesn't actually know how to pass a football
Highlight of game
- Rooney actually managing to block one of his own shots...which was probably going off for a throw or own goal anyway.
- Michael Oliver trying to tell footballers off when he looks about 8 years old
All of our players asked for it.
Don't worry about it, Cina must have been watching on teletext
For some people any bad result must have to do with the midfield.
I don't think it was. Nothing the defender could have done. Its not as if he was making himself big with his arm.