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Pulisic and Dembele are cracking players. We should have brought Dortmund's scout rather than the guy from Everton.
Things aren't going well? It was a pre season friendly ffs!I thought Jose is the god-like manager that many are craving for, who will immediately up a few levels for ManUtd? So now when things aren't going well, blame the ex manager? Good job guys, good job
Disagree. We are not competing for CL trophy. PL's competitiveness come from the physicality, the pace, the intensity, the pressure having many team closer in quality... With that in mind, we have the most decorated manager in PL (in term of PL title), who despite of failure last season is still more favorite than Pep Conte Klopp in term of experience, Poch Bilic in term of knowing to win, Wenger Koeman in term of recent success in England. That leves you with Ranieri who did miracle with Leicester last season!He is right; third or fourth might be the best we can do this season. It's not about lowering expectations, it's about dealing in realities. And I am not basing it on a result of a fitness exercise against BVB.
Van Gaal mismanaged and left this squad horrendously short. He sold quality players, and some of the replacements he brought in are simply not good enough. Depay, Rojo, Blind, Herrera - you don't win titles with these players as your regular starters in key positions. Besides Martial, there isn't one player in the squad from last year that is worthy of a starting position for Manchester United in attack. Carrick at 35 is still our best midfielder, and our best defender is Chris Smalling.
Jose has worked on addressing the deficiencies in this squad with the additions of Ibra, Mkhi and Bailly, but it would take more than one window to make this squad worthy of competing with Europe's best and winning titles domestically. Imo, this season would be about sorting the mess and building a solid foundation for future assault. Winning the title this season, would be a bonus, not the expectation.
Every big team include us scouted Dembelele. It's the player who chose to come to Dortmund as he thinks it's better for his development (understandably). So the moral lesson is sometimes, it's not all about scouting. It's about convincing player to come (we did with Martial, Bayern with Renato, Real Madrid with Odegaard,Gabriel Jesus to City?...). One more thing, bigger clubs in more competitive environment may not have the time to develop young players so not all young talents survive the filtering process of big clubs' scouting system but few of the very top. Among the very few, only some can make it. Dortmund has an attractive environment for young players, but not necessarily they have better scouting system.Pulisic and Dembele are cracking players. We should have brought Dortmund's scout rather than the guy from Everton.
That was disturbingGosh, Mourinho named Fellaini in the press-conference after the game as one of the fundamental players still missing!
Pre season games is all about how fit the players are. The more days of training the better the players play and it doesnt reflect the quality of players unless the players in comparison are at full fitness. These are not excuses, SAF always said the same thing when we played against teams which are in middle of the season or the ones which had more days/games to prepare than us.I thought Jose is the god-like manager that many are craving for, who will immediately up a few levels for ManUtd? So now when things aren't going well, blame the ex manager? Good job guys, good job
Players get signed for big money and then not play as a regular all the time or are you starting to watch football this first season?These things happen in your first pre season game, I doubt the lads have even been doing any technical stuff in training yet so stop getting so worked up about it. They've been doing a lot of stamina building and working at their repeat sprint ability, not passing and finishing drills.
Well I'm sure you can figure out Dortmund wouldn't have signed either of them for a combined €50m or so if they didn't have plans for them. Don't bet on Adrian Ramos starting many games on the lift wing, free advice for you.
I agree to a great extent with that. Though I won't be too sure about Goetze. He struggled at Bayern and if he is not upto the mark, he won't be handed an automatic place by Tuchel. Tuchel not LVG and Goetze is not Rooney.I think Schürrle will end up in his usual role as impact sub/rotational player once they have everyone on board again. Götze though must fail hard to not be in the starting line up as a #10. He offers too much creativity in the centre to be overlooked by Tuchel. He stated in a presser being very excited about Götze's signing.
It is true however, that Dortmunds first 11 are less carved in stone than Utd's. The overall performance level of their players 12-17 is much closer to the first 11 compared to Utd.
I'd say the safe starting bets not playing today were their FBs (Guerreiro, Piszczek), Weigl, Reus & Götze.
Spurs were in transition last season, as were Leicester and arguably West Ham. Doesn't stop you from playing good football.We are. People refuse to accept it.
We should judge him after 3 months.We are. People refuse to accept it.
How about a season like a reasonable person?We should judge him after 3 months.
We havent played competitively yet. Spurs were in transition?Spurs were in transition last season, as were Leicester and arguably West Ham. Doesn't stop you from playing good football.
Not too concerned about this loss although it did highlight that we have some squad players that would struggle to make it into a Salford pub side!
It was an LvG reference I admire your ability to move on.How about a season like a reasonable person?
I am so glad tha Jose doesn't behave like lots here pushing whatever current incapability to the previous management team. Glad that Jose is better than that.It's his first proper game, a pre-season match, whilst not having our best players available, in weather conditions our players aren't accustomed to. Some of you lot acting like this game is a determinate to how our season is going to go. Jose himself said he doesn't care enough to study opposition teams during pre-season. These games are to build fitness, understanding and to give players a chance to show off their quality, not necessarily to win.
Calm the feck down!!I cannot believe all the people in here defending that, saying it was only a pre season game its about match fitness. We lost 4-1 lads. Thats a major embarrasement. You think the club, directors and owners all flew over there for that nonsense. I think the one positive thing we can take from it, is that Mourinho will have been left in no doubt how poor some of the squad players are.
Cant believe some people in here are still defending my namesake.
You think? 3-0 at half time to a team that has sold its 3 best playersCalm the feck down!!
I wish I could lad. Its a losing battle.It was an LvG reference I admire your ability to move on.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/fo...van-Gaal-I-stupid-say-judge-three-months.html
Both teams went on to have bad seasons too...Chelsea were abysmal in pre-season last year too. We were not very good ourselves either. Moyes lost to Singha all stars.
Post makes no sense at all. Louis was pre season king..we only won an FA cup. Pre season is no indicatorBoth teams went on to have bad seasons too...
Yeah I know lol was sort of taking the piss, doesn't come across in the text lolPost makes no sense at all. Louis was pre season king..we only won an FA cup. Pre season is no indicator
We beat Barca 3 - 1 and they lost the first leg of the Super Cup 4 - 0 to Bilbao in their pre season 2015. They still went on and win the double!Chelsea were abysmal in pre-season last year too. We were not very good ourselves either. Moyes lost to Singha all stars.
Playing poorly in pre-season doesn't mean the end of the world but we ought to consider why it happened and try and correct it with time. Some of our players simply aren't good enough (and haven't been for a while whatever the excuses )
Last year in pre season I felt that we looked attackingly blunt and that our formation was overly defensive (two CDM's) and bizzare experiments like Depay as a 10 ,benching Smalling. Instead of Van Gaal changing things up ,he stubbornly stuck to his guns and one could see the ensuing result from a mile away. People kept on bleating the same 'it's just pre-season' crap even then.
It's simple. I don't think this is doom and gloom but there issues to work on. I hope we work on those.
Exactly .Both teams went on to have bad seasons too...
Barca did struggle in the first half of that season though. The turning point was January after their defeat to Moyes .We beat Barca 3 - 1 and they lost the first leg of the Super Cup 4 - 0 to Bilbao in their pre season 2015. They still went on and win the double!
Mourinho said he isn't even trying to create a team at the moment and just trying to get fitness .
Wasn't it Poch's first season there? I might be seriously wrong so please correct me if I amWe havent played competitively yet. Spurs were in transition?
you're making me feel old nowWho?
We only had 2 or 3 of 11 first team starters out there yesterday. Depay and Rojo won't be playing very often next season so don't worry, that's if they stay. I think the writing is on the wall for both players anyway.Barca did struggle in the first half of that season though. The turning point was January after their defeat to Moyes .
A hallmark of Jose's teams is good starts(well other than last season) . Don't get me wrong ,I am not saying the Dortmund game is doomsday. Rather I am saying ,we can't just ignore it as just a meaningless game. They are facets of our game we can and should improve and that will have showed something.
For me the most discouraging thing is that players that were crap even last season seem to be carrying on in the same vein of form even under different management. It's the Depay and Rojo's that worry me. We have seen with Micky that good signings can improve us. So as good for thought ,maybe some of the above mentioned players do need replacing.