How the feck is that a pen?
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Initial contact was outside the box surely, thought it was pretty clear it should have been a free kick
Bs decision!
VAR being awful again
It’s where the foul finishes that matters
I agree with that TBH
Another example of the bad side of VAR. If it took that long for the guy with all that tech, then surely there's no clear and obvious error to correct? It's just stupid really.
Ings to take. Scores. 1-2. Thought it was not a clear penalty, so shouldn't have been given.
1-2 ffs,
we are 6th
we are 6th
Never has been before, always where the initial contact is, otherwise you could stagger into the box and go down.
Awful decision
Oh VAR helping Sou'ton stay at the top. Jeez
It's been a long time since it was established that a foul can start outside but finish inside (eg still happening) and it's a penalty
Think it was tevez winning one in the league Cup semi against us where I first saw that
Think it was tevez winning one in the league Cup semi against us where I first saw that
Exactly, they still don't know how to use it properly.
Definite foul, but looked outside and the replay doesn't show conclusively that it was inside.
Poor stuff.
Just checking scores and havent seen it but if challenge starts outside of the box and carries in then its a pen.
Taking a stab in the dark thats the case here
Taking a stab in the dark thats the case here
Another poor VAR decision on that Southampton penalty. No way was that clear and obvious error.
Hard to take for Brighton. What exactly did whoever is in Stockley Park see that made him say Pen? Different from what we were looking at?
I agree with the vAR on this one.
The ref has given a foul and there’s not enough evidence to overturn it (unlike Coady last night)
the clear and obvious error was that he gave it outside the box. Within the rules of the game is a penalty and a good use of VAR
The ref has given a foul and there’s not enough evidence to overturn it (unlike Coady last night)
the clear and obvious error was that he gave it outside the box. Within the rules of the game is a penalty and a good use of VAR
Yes. Correct decision.
"You're too lazy to look at the screen, ref! What the feck is it there for?!" Clear as day on Sky 
If that was united you’d want them to be damn sure if it was inside or outside the box. I think when it comes down to a purely factual decision VAR should have a look. Clear and obvious should is for when a call is subjective.
Don't think so, otherwise, every player will do what Southampton player, get fouled outside, jump like you are training long jump inside penalty area and gets penalty.
"You're too lazy to look at the screen, ref! What the feck is it there for?!" Clear as day on Sky
Has a point. There should be a timer for the VAR team to look at it and if they can't make a decision either stay with the initial decision or ask the ref to look at it.
So when exactly does a foul finish? The last contact on the attacking player? Cos I'm pretty sure I've seen many fouled players fall in the box but they say the contact was outside and award a free kick.
It makes sense if you think about it. If i grab your shirt and dont let go inside the box then its still first contact until i let go.
I think last contact
I didn't see the incident yet so not sure it's the same but
Biggest example I can think of is shirt pulling
If it starts outside and you play on and it continues inside and the guy falls over, then it's a penalty
Or if you pull a shirt and the guy is stumbling, but the shirt holding continues inside then it's a penalty
As said didn't see the Incident so not going to talk solely on this one but just in general
How good has Vestergaard been? He has found some good form lately, but today he is absolutely bossing it both with his passes forward and defensive actions. I am a Dane, so I might be a bit biased. But I had zero expectations when he moved from the Bundesliga to the Prem, mainly because he never has impressed me with the national team. But he has really impressed me.
If you grab my shirt I will kick in the nuts and accuse you of mobing.
Ok, ok, since I am nice, I won't kick you, (heard it is painful) but I will scream my lungs out until my husband comes out and buys you beer, what?, I mean kicks you.
Always been that a foul can start outside and finish inside
OK can someone explain to me exactly what foul is happening in the box? Is it the shoulder barge? Because as far as I can tell that contact stops? And in the box the only contact comes from KWP kicking the back of the defenders leg?
Perhaps Brighton players saw Word-Prowse ready to take the freekick and ask for a penalty to be given!
Whoever this Dale Johnson is, he is so wrong though. I'm not sure what he's watching. Still images are useless in this debate. He needs to watch it again. And slow down the video. There's a reason the Southampton players weren't going crazy for a penalty. And anyone who knows the game knows you can gauge a lot of what actually happened on the pitch by players' reactions.
Except we regularly see penalties given for incidents not claimed by the players. The foul on Welbeck in the recent Liverpool game being one example. Just as we regularly see players incorrectly believing something should be a penalty when it shouldn't. Because the reality is that many of them don't know the laws of the game, as their later careers as pundits make clear. Assessing an incident based on their reaction is a poor substitute for actually knowing the rules and how they're applied.
In this case the referee awarded a foul. The question for VAR was whether that was inside the box, which it was. They were never going to deem awarding the foul an error. The Brighton player went for the ball, got nowhere near the ball but made contact with the opposition player. So it's a relatively straightforward call from the VAR's pov, a matter of where it took place. If people want to argue it shouldn't have been a foul then that's fine, it's a subjective call after all. But it's certainly not a decision that should have been overturned once made.
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PR nonsense aside, I've seen every single match Kane's played in since the England U19s and I don't recall this having been a significant part of his game until rather recently. It makes sense that it has been encouraged by a manager known for deploying grey-area tactics.
You’ve said that before about the diving but that ignores the examples of him diving long before Mourinho was around. I don’t think you’re very objective when it comes to Kane.