Chief123
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999 votes are in. Who’s the lucky 1000th.
Right on cue! Congrats fellow anonymous.999 votes are in. Who’s the lucky 1000th.
Yeh but has he hinted about a new stadium and Mbappe?There's probably well over 500 pages on the Qataris over several threads and noone has mentioned Hitler so far.
"The situation in which the owner of a sports club or franchise invests his or her own personal wealth into securing highly talented players to better their chances of success, rather than relying on the revenue the franchise is able to generate for itself."I'm not sure what you mean by financial doping?
Our problem post Fergie hasn't been lack of money for transfers or player salaries. The club makes plenty of money but is poorly run and Old Trafford is falling apart.
There wouldn't be a need to throw unearned money at us. Especially now that things finally are shaping up.
But my point is still that potential financial doping isn't the main reason for why I and others don't want Qatari ownership.
Andy Currie and John Reece,, his long term business partners.He owns 60% anyone know who the others are?
Lifetime passionate United fans? Otherwise, they are giving up their share of the profits to fun United? You just don't find this level of altruism anymore these days!!Andy Currie and John Reece,, his long term business partners.
Ineos is far bigger than United, if they wanted nothing to do with it the company is more than big enough. As it is they're both involved in the other sporting ventures. They've been partners a long time.Lifetime passionate United fans? Otherwise, they are giving up their share of the profits to fun United? You just don't find this level of altruism anymore these days!!
Happier but need to hear plans about stadium and training facilities redevelopment. I have reiterated repeatedly want him to be like an Abramovich type owner who doesn’t obsess over ROIWe haven't had full clarity on that yet have we?
Would you be happy if INEOS came out and said the debt will be gone too?
But none of their other sporting ventures are as big as the United deal, are they? They might not mind it if it's relatively cheap to buy or invest in other sporting projects as they are relatively cheap, but buying United is definitely not cheap by any stretch of imagination.Ineos is far bigger than United, if they wanted nothing to do with it the company is more than big enough. As it is they're both involved in the other sporting ventures. They've been partners a long time.
Fixed for you.Evil capitalism plus sportswashing
vs
Evil capitalismminus sportswashingplus greenwashing
Easy choice for me.
Qatar not need to do any greenwashing?Fixed for you.vil capitalism plus sportswashing
vs
Evil capitalismminus sportswashingplus greenwashing
Easy choice for me.
If you’re relatively self aware about the world, you’re going to have to accept you’re a hypocrite and apathetic to suffering for your own gain for so long as you live in the modern western world.Just realised I might be a hypocrite… I consider the Abu Dhabi regime to be less evil than the Qatari one and despite that I find excuses to want Qatari ownership while at the same time feeling disgusted by the behaviour of Man City and their cheating methods… I’m convinced we will not be cheating when the Qataris take over.
Sure my cousin Bart Reynolds Al Thani keeps giving me dosh so I will persuade all of you to the dark side. Without redcafe posters backing the deal the Al Thanis will not buy the club. Do you read your posts before posting? Also what's wrong being first with 5 points away from second place? I'll take that at United and I am sure that NICE and relegated Lausanne-Sport would love to be in that situation as well.Yet PSG is just 5 points ahead of Marseille with all those shrewd signings.
Some of the posts in this place recently sound like some of the posters are paid to write what they're writing.
Actually lately NICE had gone through that route rather then PSG with high profile players (for Nice size) like Schmeichel, Pepe, Ramsay and Barkley. In terms of expenditure PSG had achieved expectations. They are the biggest spenders and have won 3 out of 4 League 1 titles. Nice are 4th biggest spenders and had constantly failed to reach those expectations (Nice are 5th, 9th, 5th and currently 9th.)The fear with Qatar is that we start signing trendy players or big players without any care whether they fit into a plan
We don’t have billions of debtredo the poll titles
1) billions of debt
2) billions in the bank
Haven’t they said they would do the opposite?The fear with Qatar is that we start signing trendy players or big players without any care whether they fit into a plan
This is beautiful.Sure my cousin Bart Reynolds Al Thani keeps giving me dosh so I will persuade all of you to the dark side. Without redcafe posters backing the deal the Al Thanis will not buy the club. Do you read your posts before posting? Also what's wrong being first with 5 points away from second place? I'll take that at United and I am sure that NICE and relegated Lausanne-Sport would love to be in that situation as well.
Its not so cheap to borrow in todays marketI have businesses paying 2.9% on loans from the last few years, so I fully understand Ineos would rather borrow cheap and keep their capital generating greater returns.
0% transfer/purchase cards are a beautiful irony right now.Its not so cheap to borrow in todays market
They have already claimed that they will only buy up the 'majority' shares of united ie the outstanding glazer shares. Why would they buy up the outstanding debt when they don't own all the shares?Very unlikely that INEOS will get rid of the Glazer debt which makes Qatar the only option if we want to get rid of debt.
How old are you?redo the poll titles
1) billions of debt
2) billions in the bank
It could be Ed's where dreams happen and real life disneyland times 5.The fear with Qatar is that we start signing trendy players or big players without any care whether they fit into a plan
I feel the same way. After years of being on City and Chelsea's backs about oil money we joined them. It feels like selling out. We have been crap for a decade so anything we win going forward will be attached to oil money even if we only spend money we generate.The whole thing is monumentally depressing. To see so many on the Caf so sanguine about the Quatari bid having sat on our high horse (correctly) deriding City all this time. The chances of some ordinary bloke who loves his football appearing over the horizon with 6 billion rattling around in his pocket appear slim at this point but the timing of this, United finally finding a no shit, no frills, straight talking football God to manage us and us finally having a bunch of hard working, likeable actual footballers on the pitch only to have this vision of football as it should be supplanted by the reality of the corporate, corrupt steaming pile of shit that it actually is is too much for me to take. I'm genuinely depressed.
Paid to paint being top of the league as bad you mean? Whilst arguing the team sitting 8th (with 4th highest spending) is better run?Yet PSG is just 5 points ahead of Marseille with all those shrewd signings.
Some of the posts in this place recently sound like some of the posters are paid to write what they're writing.
I only wrote that some posts look like they're made by paid posters. Some of the posters are fighting tooth and nail for Qatar and its strange to see and in the same time even depressing.Paid to paint being top of the league as bad you mean? Whilst arguing the team sitting 8th (with 4th highest spending) is better run?
Whether you are pro or anti Qatar, pro SJR or on fence. Its obvious that PSG is more successful and better run than Nice (who have spent shitloads and had not much progression)
You can also argue however that PSG should/could have done better with the money they have spent, particularly in Europe.
But there is no argument that can be made that Nice are achieving success to the level of their spending.
Ineos has not achieved much in football, that doesn’t mean though that they have not learned and gained experience. However their recent time in football is a little worrying in my opinion.
Best outcome for United is one of the 2 private bidders are much better options than both
Imagine if INEOS turn out to be reckless and sack ETH despite him being good?I only wrote that some posts look like they're made by paid posters. Some of the posters are fighting tooth and nail for Qatar and its strange to see and in the same time even depressing.
PSG doing better with the money spent was actually my point.
Also there's a constant circus around that club, weather it's about managers, players or something else plus buying superstars for the sake of it.
Of course Nice is doing worse but as you yourself said that doesnt meant United would be the same if INEOS bid would won just as that we would be doing fantastic and without error if Qatar bought us just cause they promised to fund the OT and the infrastructure and are loaded with money.
Imagine if they turn out to be reckless and sack ETH despite him doing good.
I'm imagining it and it doesn't look good. Just as with Qatar at PSG.Imagine if INEOS turn out to be reckless and sack ETH despite him being good?
Qatar has sacked their manager that was doing good?I'm imagining it and it doesn't look good. Just as with Qatar at PSG.
PSG are dominating their league and are no pushovers in CL. When Qataris bought them they were 15th. To me Qatar have invested a lot in the Parisian club and made them a force in Europe. If they manage to find a proper manager, they are likely to win CL. City are now unstoppable in the prem and are one of the contenders for CL. Money helps a lot in football, while money + a top manager puts you right at the top of the game. Nice have won feck all and are bound to win feck all, whilst INEOS are in charge.I'm imagining it and it doesn't look good. Just as with Qatar at PSG.