Buying RVP, one of the best strikers in the world, for 20 millions puts us in the same league as City and Chelsea?So what would you call Robin van Persie then?
Radamel Falcao Garcia
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He would flop if he goes to Chelsea - Chelsea FC don't play to the strength of their strikers - Drogba is the only successful Chelsea striker in 8 yrs and it took him about 2 yrs to adapt to the Chelsea way of playing!
In that 8 yrs, strikers like Crespo, Shevchenko, Torres, Pizarro, Kezman, Gudjohnsen, etc all withered away. I am not worried about Falcao going to Chelsea at all - the selfish midfielders have to pass the ball to him to score and Chelsea create the least CCC(clear-cut chances) in the top 6 clubs in the Premier League!
That's a really interest point, Hannibal, hadn't thought about it at all. In my mind, I always imagined it would be a perfect front 4, with Falcao just coming in and doing better than Torres. But the CCC stat is interesting, maybe it wouldn't be as successful as I (and many others) believe.
And you're right about all the strikers coming in throughout the years and not doing well, although out of all those you named, the only one that's of the same level as Falcao as an out and out striker is Shevchenko in my opinion. That was a huge flop, never quite understood it.
But even having said that, I really wouldn't want this move to materialize, because of the chance that it could indeed work. If the front 4 actually clicked (you've also got to take into account that Oscar and Hazard are new in the team and are still settling in), they could be lethal.
And you're right about all the strikers coming in throughout the years and not doing well, although out of all those you named, the only one that's of the same level as Falcao as an out and out striker is Shevchenko in my opinion. That was a huge flop, never quite understood it.
But even having said that, I really wouldn't want this move to materialize, because of the chance that it could indeed work. If the front 4 actually clicked (you've also got to take into account that Oscar and Hazard are new in the team and are still settling in), they could be lethal.
Chelsea are not the same team they were when drogba/shevchenko were there.
With players like mata and hazard they are now aiming to create for the frontman. If torres has his bottle still intact he would probably be the leagues top scorer right now.
Saying he will flop is wishful thinking. I'm surprised at the stat for ccc too, but then you look at the potential of that front 4 (Mata, Hazard, Oscar, Falcao) and the sky is the limit really. Atletico Madrid are not the most creative of teams, infact the majority of their attacks come down the wings through the 2 full backs. The thing about Falcao is that he has the ability to create something out of nothing. Look at his goal against Valencia last season for a good example.
This graph put things in perspective and that was last season when they had Mata, Lampard, Ramirez, etc....
I'm pretty sure that Atletico playing wide is actually to get the best out of Falcao, he is brilliant in the air and seems to thrive on crosses.
He can also create his own chances, he is a beast of a player. At Porto he was a phenomenal poacher, but at this moment he's starting to create goals out of very very unlikely situations.
Probably also due to playing on a team were he doesn't get the same quality of support he got at Porto. If he goes to a team with even better creators then he will score at least the same, if not more.
Probably also due to playing on a team were he doesn't get the same quality of support he got at Porto. If he goes to a team with even better creators then he will score at least the same, if not more.
Falcao to Chelsea in the January transfer window? That WBA game should be the confirmation to Roman that Sturridge and Torres are utter gash.
Very very interesting article about Falcao and who owns him :
What do our Spanish Caf-experts have to say about this? The fact that he's a Mendes client and the claim that Atl. Madrid have no say in his transfer Jan onwards and the fact that Chelsea might not want to get into a situation with third party ownership gives me some hope that he maybe won't end up at Chelsea.
http://www.football-espana.net/26072/do-atletico-own-falcao
What do our Spanish Caf-experts have to say about this? The fact that he's a Mendes client and the claim that Atl. Madrid have no say in his transfer Jan onwards and the fact that Chelsea might not want to get into a situation with third party ownership gives me some hope that he maybe won't end up at Chelsea.
Milan haven't really invested that money from Silva and Ibra yet have they? Maybe he will spearhead their rebuild?
Just not Chelsa or City.
Not Barcelona or Real neither if possible.
Not Barcelona or Real neither if possible.
Milan are financially fecked though, no?
Not sure, I thought they were just trying to get rid of deadwood (older players) and get some wages freed up for FFP they will have to spend money at some point soon, they look mid table right now
I'm not a Spanish caf-expert, but I don't see how that changes much. Premier League clubs must own the players pass in it's entirety, but that never stopped them from buying players partly owned by the selling clubs. As long as the investment group makes a profit, they'll be happy to sell their share as well. They reason like a feeder club in these situations.
If Atletico indeed doesn't have a say where he'll go from July onwards, than it makes it a bit more likely that he'll end up at Madrid. That can make a difference, not the third-party ownership in itself. This can make it more likely that Chelsea presses for him in January though.
Well let's hope that Mendes, who has a lot of clients at Madrid, pushes him towards them instead of Chelsea. Maybe it's time for Fergie to call in and ask for a favor on that Bebe deal.
Was watching the futsal World Cup final today and Falcao equalized for Brazil who then went on to win it in ET with 20 seconds left. His goal is scored at around 2:50 and this has no relevance to this thread other than the name itself but I didn't want to make a separate thread about it.
Different Falcao mate.
It'd be great if he ends up at Real, and Ronnie comes home
...or, given that he's a real goalscorer, rather than having Torres holding the ball up outside the box and running in the channels - he could actually score a boat load of goals.
Chelsea have top players out wide who have been creating chances this year - and nobody to put them away.
Yeah I got the impression from the post that he knew, but it still seemed weird to post about a completely different guy in this thread, so I thought it best to point it outI think he knows that.
Not that I haven't wondered a bit as well...
Whether Falcao would make it in the Prem is uncertain, but his fluidity and finishing as a striker are a joy to watch.
I think he's tryin to emphasize that they all create chances for themselves and their own personal glory. I agree with the fact that it is tough to be a striker at Chelsea with all the mememe's playing behind the strikers.
Imagine trying to play a season with Sturridge, Hazard, Ramires and Oscar as a poaching tap in striker (someone like Chicharito) you'd be absolutely ready to chin the lot of them half way through the season.
I see nothing to suggest he woulnt make it here. Ofcourse, there's always a chance but there's nothing about him to suggest he wouldnt suit the prem.
What a game it was.
Their style of play and personnel has changed dramatically in this period. The trio they have there atm is far too good to not create chances, someone like Falcao doesnt need more than a couple to put the ball in the net. What happened with the Crespos and the Shevas is a thing of the past. Chelsea are playing with new players now and there's nothing to suggest that a truly sensational player like falcao will definitely flop at Chelsea like you're claiming.
I shudder to think what havoc he'd do in Chelsea shirt...
The fluidity in their style of play is a myth.......I actually think Arsenal, City, Spurs and us have more fluidity in the attacking 3rd than Chelsea. This is the same Chelsea who have not won in 4 successive league games with MAZACAR. MAZACAR would clog up the area Falcao loves to operate and he would be rendered less effective. I was looking at a stat the other day between Torres and Falcao. Between August 2011 and the time the stat was computed, Torres has made 50 crosses to Falcao's 6. I kept asking myself who is Torres crossing to?
Falcao reminds me a lot of the strikers of old, particularly Batistuta.
Yeah the Batistuta/Crespo comparisons and others of that era are quite pertinent insofar as most goal-hungry, penalty-box strikers have been marginalised in recent times in favour of the back-to-goal experts.
I dont agree with the fluidity bit. Their build up is very good, its just that the lack of understanding shows when they get to the penalty area as is to be expected from players playing together for the first time. Its nothing time wont improve considering the quality of their players.
As i see it, Falcao is deadly in front of the goal, he scores from basically anywhere. Deadly in the air too. He's just far too good for his chances of success at Chelsea to be written off like you're doing. The 3 behind them would definitely need to cut down on the selfish shots they take though imo, far too many of them.
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I am very glad that Torres started to score goals again, because of Chevski signs him, it will be a very bad thing.
I am very glad that Torres started to score goals again, because of Chevski signs him, it will be a very bad thing.
Now that they're out the Champions League, I can see Chelsea giving Torres till the end of the season. I don't think Falcao will move until the end of the season.
Here I was thinking he calmed down his goalscoring form ....
I'm not sure about that, he was completely frozen out of the Europa League. Granted he wasn't needed, but it's not like he was used sparingly, his existence was simply ignored for that competition. And since it was seen from the beginning that Chelsea would have trouble progressing from their group, there may be something more here.
Don't forget the rumours that Atletico are skint and that they might not have a lot to say about his destiny in the Summer transfer window and maybe there is ground to believe they will sell him now. Obviously they don't want it, as they are taking La Liga extremely seriously here, but I think there's a reasonable chance their hand will be a bit forced here.
If Chelsea sign him they're going to have to blow that £50m Torres fee right out of the water.
I really don't want see him go Chelsea or City. Rather he went off to Madrid, Barca or PSG.
Maybe we could fit him in at United and basicly play a starting 11 composed entirely of strikers.
Maybe we could fit him in at United and basicly play a starting 11 composed entirely of strikers.
If Chelsea stayed in the Champions league than I would have no doubt that they would buy him, but as it is, I don't see why he would leave Atletico Madrid in January as it wouldn't really be any different to what he has there, just more pressure in a worse environment. They'll probably get him in the summer though, sadly.
He's starting to become ridiculous with his goalscoring. Hope the likes of Chelsea or Man City don't get their hands on him.