Shaw came with a lot of promise and everyone liked him but has he really kicked on and become the player we hoped he would? His form is so inconsistent and he doesn't assist or score enough.AWB is very poor, i will give him that. Maguire for 80 million should be better. But shaw i think is decent. There was a while under ole where he was very good. Granted though he is having a terrible season so far.
If just one of them start tomorrow then the guy who reported that is fraud. We will see tomorrow.We’re a bit thin on the ground so I wouldn’t be surprised if they played some part in the season, but long term they’re not good enough and I’m glad someone had the balls to say it, although it’s worrying there is a leak, unless it’s Ralf himself?
Both only started twice together under Rangnick and one of the match was when Maguire was still injured.He defiantly seems to favour Lindelof & Varane IMO
I've said before that we could lose Shaw and Maguire and wouldn't be worse off but there is no way this is true. The board wouldn't entertain it and Ralf wouldn't be saying something like that so quickly. Clickbait nonsense.Tweet
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Maguire has been a awful if not worse than AWB.AWB is very poor, i will give him that. Maguire for 80 million should be better. But shaw i think is decent. There was a while under ole where he was very good. Granted though he is having a terrible season so far.
It’s not even the press. It’s one 2-bit journo.It's bollocks the press are just putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with stories right now.
We play Wolves we want Neves, we play Villa we want McGinn. Wonder who from the Brentford team they'll claim we're after.
Fat chance. The people who hired him were integral parts of the structure that sanctioned the bringing in of a lot of that garbage. They'll probably wait till he leaves the room then laugh at him for daring to say wonderkid Wan Bissaka had bad technique.Give rangnick the damn keys so that he can clear out the trash before he moves upstairs and the ETH does not have to deal with this crap.
Not good enough?We’re a bit thin on the ground so I wouldn’t be surprised if they played some part in the season, but long term they’re not good enough and I’m glad someone had the balls to say it, although it’s worrying there is a leak, unless it’s Ralf himself?
Yeah. It’s pretty shocking.Not good enough?
Shaw was the best LB in the league last season, Maguire was close to being the best CB. AWB, OK, there may be a point there.
I swear, poster's memories are so short.
We wont improve till accountants and bank executives are making footballing decisions.Fat chance. The people who hired him were integral parts of the structure that sanctioned the bringing in of a lot of that garbage. They'll probably wait till he leaves the room then laugh at him for daring to say wonderkid Wan Bissaka had bad technique.
There's nothing wrong with my memory, I remember Shaw being shocking for years, I've never been convinced by Maguire and Wan-Bissaka had one good season at Palace before we splashed out £50m. There's a lot of recency bias in football and people are quick to forget just how shit some of our players were before they had one good season. None of those players start for a top 2 team.Not good enough?
Shaw was the best LB in the league last season, Maguire was close to being the best CB. AWB, OK, there may be a point there.
I swear, poster's memories are so short.
Thats what I hoped he would do, but instead it seems hes brought Martial back for Brentford and is talking up Pogba. Unbelievable and my faith in Rangnick is rapidly draining away.Dear Ralf, be bold and drain the swamp.
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The shock is shocking. Let's temporarily put aside the fact it's probably fake for a second, if you didn't already know many progressive managers would have a problem with Maguire and AWB where have you been the past 15 years? This is why we needed a qualified DoF, one that isn't from the old boys.Ralf is coming across as knowledgeable and pragmatic. Maguire will never suit a pressing team as he has the turning circle of a tanker in the Suez canal and no pace to recover if he is forced to leave space behind him.
We need to buy this guy a DM so we are not trying to limp to the end of the season with Grampa Matic and the inconsistent Mctominay in the side.
Source: https://www.fourfourtwo.com/us/news...e-aaron-wan-bissaka-and-luke-shaw-all-leavingManchester United interim manager Ralf Rangnick is planning a dramatic overhaul of the club's defence – with Harry Maguire, Aaron Wan-Bissaka and Luke Shaw all for the chop.
That probably means no Ronaldo again imo. The 4222 was to accommodate Ronaldo.Tweet
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Praise the LORD.
Im sure it's just about context compared to how we have been playing, even midtable football is an improvement on some of the performances we've seen this season.I find it worrying that he's praising midtable football, that comes across as the same delusion Ole had for the majority of his tenure. United plays like a midtable side and the manager praises them for it.
I don't know whether it's because they are failing and therefore are actively trying to lower the standard, or if they genuinely think their side had a good performance.
Which is far from praiseworthy, it is an improvement on the terrible football we've played before but by no means good, impressive or in control.Im sure it's just about context compared to how we have been playing, even midtable football is an improvement on some of the performances we've seen this season.
He isn't impressed with it, he's just talking about improvement and highlighting better control which we've lacked. I think he's been quite honest about our performances in general to be honest.Which is far from praiseworthy, it is an improvement on the terrible football we've played before but by no means good, impressive or in control.
We thought standards would be raised by Ralf coming, he is just continuing the same mediocrity. Aston Villa were by no means worse than United, had higher xG and that was without a keeper blunder. Any man that is impressed by that performance, probably shouldnt have a big role at the club if the club wants to compete with City and Liverpool.
Agree, he is straight forward and clear, itself a massive upgrade from Ole. As to those posters who seem to be jumping all over Ralf. What did you expect? He is an itnerim mamanger for 6 months, with a toxic ,overpaid and underperforming squad, in a dysfunctional club with no coherent decision making structure. Sure his assistants may not be the best, but who would leave a safe job for 6 months in another country? Why not focus frustrations on where it belongs, the Glazers and the useful idiot(s) they employ who have brought this club to its knees. Ralf doing his best with a sh*t show. Lets support him, for gods sake the top reds supported Ole as he drove us off a cliff and was clearly so far out of his depth. Protest agains the Glazers, Woodward etc. Ralk should become DoF, not a pointless and powerless consultant.I must say I am impressed with Ralf in the pressers....no twitching or flapping around when being questioned and he addresses the issue.
I think the commitment with Rangnick or anyone else to overhaul this club was another scheme to pull the wool over our eyes again. They won't even allow him bring in a couple of midfielders that will cost very little towards what we paid for shit.I reckon if we are commited to working with Ralf to overhaul the club, team and look for the right manager then we should go all in. As good as Shaw was last season I think he is a fullback that can be replaced, as good as he can be on his day his career here shows that a title challenging team probably cannot rely on him physically and mentally. AWB simply is not technically and attacking wise good enough for a title challenging team. Maguire I don't think is an elite CB and I don't think he would settle for a place on the bench. So I could see them leaving and I don't think it would be too difficult to upgrade them if we are committed to spending money. A lot of the players at this club could be upgraded pretty easily and thats part of the issues at the club. We've also needed to upgrade the manager for ages now. If we want to win titles again we need best in class or players who can become best in class in every position including the manager.
Well done.Agree, he is straight forward and clear, itself a massive upgrade from Ole. As to those posters who seem to be jumping all over Ralf. What did you expect? He is an itnerim mamanger for 6 months, with a toxic ,overpaid and underperforming squad, in a dysfunctional club with no coherent decision making structure. Sure his assistants may not be the best, but who would leave a safe job for 6 months in another country? Why not focus frustrations on where it belongs, the Glazers and the useful idiot(s) they employ who have brought this club to its knees. Ralf doing his best with a sh*t show. Lets support him, for gods sake the top reds supported Ole as he drove us off a cliff and was clearly so far out of his depth. Protest agains the Glazers, Woodward etc. Ralk should become DoF, not a pointless and powerless consultant.
