AussieDevil
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I don’t understand why people think this will mean we’re keen on ETH at the end of the season, Rangnick and Poch have more similarities.
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It’s a bridge to either Poch or ten Hag, whomever we prefer, and his philosophy is the perfect foundation for either of them to build on as he will get the team working collectively which they haven’t for a while.Sorry what? Hiring a 63 year old on a 6 month contract shows a long term approach? I'd like to believe it but I'm not holding my breath.
Stop it. You're getting a certain poster hard.I don’t understand why people think this will mean we’re keen on ETH at the end of the season, Rangnick and Poch have more similarities.
Leonardo has stopped no one from coaching the way they want, lets not make up things. And the point is about whether Pochettino is going to be next or not, he isn't the only manager using a high press and there head coaches that do not want to be more powerful, as Adnan suggested, Adi Hutter is one of them and there is also Jesse Marsch or Seoane.But both RR and Poch are on the same high press page so it's not the same as PSG where Leonardo is actually stopping him coaching the way he wants to.
Either Poch or ETH are now options. So either way it's exciting. And most of the other including Bodger and Zidane can be safely ignored.
He was being negative about Rangnick before this was announced and I thought he may know something but I keep forgetting German football fans have real hate for the RB clubs, since it spoils their system.No idea why he isn't banned.
Gladbach are a big club and there's no doubt about that. But what I mean by 'big club' is him getting a chance at a giant club. I'm surprised not one of our clubs here in England brought him over, not even the middling clubs.Gladbach aren't that small, usually they are lingering around top 4 in Germany and therefore sometimes playing in the CL. And they payed a fee of 7.5m€ to get him from Frankfurt, one of the highest fees ever paid in world football for a manager I think? At least in Germany only Nagelsmann was more expensive and I can remember Villas-Boas, but apart from that I don't know.
Because most people clamouring for ETH haven’t seen much of either his or Ralf’s sides and are in love with an idea more than anything else.I don’t understand why people think this will mean we’re keen on ETH at the end of the season, Rangnick and Poch have more similarities.
You're aware he's gonna be hired as an interim manager?Sorry what? Hiring a 63 year old on a 6 month contract shows a long term approach? I'd like to believe it but I'm not holding my breath.
But surely Rangnick won't have the kind of political clout to just pluck some random pressing and transition merchant like Marsch from Bundesliga to install him as the next United manager, and also not managers like Hütter or Seoane even if they're very good.Leonardo has stopped no one from coaching the way they want, lets not make up things. And the point is about whether Pochettino is going to be next or not, he isn't the only manager using a high press and there head coaches that do not want to be more powerful, as Adnan suggested, Adi Hutter is one of them and there is also Jesse Marsch or Seoane.
I think crapping on other people's positivity is enjoyable to some people, that would be why. Fair enough that you don't rate Rangnick highly, but you have failed to provide any solid argument or reasoning for your negativity.I expressed the same negative opinion about Rangnick before he became your interim manager too. So why would I be wumming and for what? I'm consistent.
The long termism doesn't need to be the person, the systems he will instill will last over time if we use him to inform the next manager decision, or hire him as our sporting director when this is over. As Lepzig and Salzburg have shown.Sorry what? Hiring a 63 year old on a 6 month contract shows a long term approach? I'd like to believe it but I'm not holding my breath.
Can you blame them after the slop we've seen for years and years football wise? People want to dream.Because most people clamouring for ETH haven’t seen much of either his or Ralf’s sides and are in love with an idea more than anything else.
To be fair I think he as valid points in his downplaying of Rangnick. I obviously don't share them, but the problem with Rangnick is that a lot of his reputation is based on the influence he had on the game. He has not won the titles himself to back this reputation up, but relies on the success of coaches he influenced being attributed to him. And this is what you can heavily discuss, how much you do that.I think crapping on other people's positivity is enjoyable to some people, that would be why. Fair enough that you don't rate Rangnick highly, but you have failed to provide any solid argument or reasoning for your negativity.
One has to assume that the men who picked Rangnick share a similar view and have no intention to lose influence in the long term management of the club. Or are we ignoring the existence of Murtough and his autority? And again my post wasn't about the style, otherwise I would have mentioned it even once. I questioned the sense in bringing someone that wants the power the is already in the hands of Murtough and potentially Rangnick, I also wonder why Pochettino would choose to potentially put himself in a situation that he has tried to avoid twice in his previous clubs.But surely Rangnick won't have the kind of political clout to just pluck some randome pressing and transition merchant like Marsch from Bundesliga to install him as the next United manager. The question about authority and power are real, I have no idea how much power Rangnick will be granted after the season and how much power Pochettino actually would want, but in terms of style, Pochettino and Rangnick are a good fit.
I think this is okay.Because most people clamouring for ETH haven’t seen much of either his or Ralf’s sides and are in love with an idea more than anything else.
The benefit of having a senior consultant is that they often have experience working with both successful and unsuccessful organizations. Having a preferred ered blueprint is fine but the hard part is to identify those who’re open to changes and those who‘re secretly against it. You just need a few with a hidden agenda to jeopardize a successful outcome.Hmm....I think many don't really know what a consultancy position means.
I have been a business consultant for many years. You are hired to identify issues, come up with solutions and convince the decision makers to implement them.
However, you don't have any power to force decisions or to implement your ideas, if the board doesn't want. As the word says you are "consulting" but aren't actually managing and making decisions.
Knowing Rangnick's strive for total control and power, I'm quite surprised Rangnick agreed to just a consulting role.
Otherwise this is very exciting appointment.
I still think that Rangnick has been brought in primarily to help our sporting Directors develop a long term strategy - and him being placed as interim is mainly because he'll be a decent stop gap to take us into next summer. It makes a change from our strategy since Sir Alex (although it's clear we didn't have a strategy even back then) of just changing managers and not much else. And I think after Ole the board have been burned by bringing in an "interim", things going well, giving him a long term contract which makes us miss out on other options, and before you know it we're back to square one, and nothing to show for it.But surely Rangnick won't have the kind of political clout to just pluck some random pressing and transition merchant like Marsch from Bundesliga to install him as the next United manager, and also not managers like Hütter or Seoane even if they're very good.
While the questions about authority and power are real, and I have no idea how much power Rangnick will be granted after the season or how much power Pochettino actually would want; in terms of style, Pochettino and Rangnick are a good fit.
No I definitely don’t. I also still think it’s very possible and that this appointment doesn’t ensure it’s one or the other. Ralf is very suitable to set us up for either guy.Can you blame them after the slop we've seen for years and years football wise? People want to dream.
This is all pretty laughable. What's so ambitious about hiring a 60+ year old guy who has never worked at a top club? Who has never won a title but a single German Cup with Schalke? How come that's the extent of his career if he's such a messiah of football wisdom? Is Man United's aspiration to run like the well-oiled, unstoppable winning machines that are RasenBallsport Leipzig or TSG Hoffenheim?
No it won't Shaw is a player out of shape and a bit of a lazy sod. Ralf will be looking for a new left back.i suspect this opinion would have changed, or will change very soon.
Shaw is a fantastic footballer and he will love working with him.
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I understand that, my point would rather be to speculate that they could be a good team if they were forced to collaborate (and the forcing would have to come from the overarching power - i.e. Manchester United and its DoF Murtough).One has to assume that the men who picked Rangnick share a similar view and have no intention to lose influence in the long term management of the club. Or are we ignoring the existence of Murtough and his autority? And again my post wasn't about the style, otherwise I would have mentioned it even once. I questioned the sense in bringing someone that wants the power the is already in the hands of Murtough and potentially Rangnick, I also wonder why Pochettino would choose to potentially put himself in a situation that he has tried to avoid twice in his previous clubs.
Ask your team’s manager.This is all pretty laughable. What's so ambitious about hiring a 60+ year old guy who has never worked at a top club? Who has never won a title but a single German Cup with Schalke? How come that's the extent of his career if he's such a messiah of football wisdom? Is Man United's aspiration to run like the well-oiled, unstoppable winning machines that are RasenBallsport Leipzig or TSG Hoffenheim?
He’s an interim manager and then he’s going to assume an office role for whoever replaces him. He is excellent at that.Is this real? Not sure if I'm too impressed. Godfather this, Godfather that, he's not the one who won though.
But that's a terrible start and I include Murtough in the equation. That's my point, why would anyone sensible do that, it's not as if we are talking about bringing Guardiola or Sacchi?I understand that, my point would rather be to speculate that they could be a good team if they were forced to collaborate (and the forcing would have to come from the overarching power - i.e. Manchester United and its DoF Murtough).
Rangnick has been absolutely desperate for a big club job and for recognition in England so the opportunity to work at a club like Utd might make him accept that he's just giving input and can not pick the manager or make the decisions on transfers.
And Pochettino, well, to me it seems like the opportunity to be Manchester United manager would be tempting enough for him that Murtough could say, 'this is now a club with a DoF (me), as manager you'll have to collaborate on the transfers with me and also we'll be getting input from Rangnick'.
But maybe I'm underestimating Pochettino's aversion to work alongside a strong DoF, he never struck me as someone who'd mind so much but you might be more informed on that.
I was responding to posts mindlessly overhyping what Rangnick is and what he has done. That's not trolling. That's my honest reaction, now if you don't mind. The stuff about what a massive legend and visionary he is is very cringey and laughable. Doesn't make him a bad manager.Absolutely poor trolling. Take the night off
The overhype and hyperbole I'm seeing here and on YouTube is insane. You'd think we've signed Klopp or Pep. Hopefully he does well enough for us.With every page in this thread, the hyping grows and grows
Ralf fecking Rangnick, you could not make it up..
'The father of Gegenpressing', Lord help me, that is a cringe sentence of words
Guess "the father of TSG Hoffenheim" doesn't sound impressive enough
I don't mean forced as in dragged into the meeting room by the ears. I mean, sometimes people don't know what roles they are best in, I think Pochettino is a fantastic coach but I don't think he should be able to buy his own squad, for example. Just as Rangnick has a lot of expertise but he shouldn't be allowed to enact his control mania.But that's a terrible start and I include Murtough in the equation. That's my point, why would anyone sensible do that, it's not as if we are talking about bringing Guardiola or Sacchi?
He's not the manager of Lokomotiv. He's the sporting director at Lokomotiv. Took the job less than 6 months ago.nice 3-0 loss
It's not a bad plan.I still think that Rangnick has been brought in primarily to help our sporting Directors develop a long term strategy - and him being placed as interim is mainly because he'll be a decent stop gap to take us into next summer. It makes a change from our strategy since Sir Alex (although it's clear we didn't have a strategy even back then) of just changing managers and not much else. And I think after Ole the board have been burned by bringing in an "interim", things going well, giving him a long term contract which makes us miss out on other options, and before you know it we're back to square one, and nothing to show for it.
Whereas with Rangnick we have a coach with a pre-agreed end date, followed by a transition into a new role where he can help Murtough develop his skills as a DoF and develop something that doesn't leave us stuck in this endless loop of operational madness.