Rashford | Back in training (22nd May 2020)

[Bastian]

Spinal consultant i/V on sky sports reckons minimum 3 months out with this injury. Sadly looks like his season his done??

I think some grown ups at the club need to step in and make sure there is no way his injury will be mismanaged. We obviously cannot trust the manager in that regard and we may really have to look at changing personnel in the medical department.

There is no way he should be rushed back. I'd prefer him to sit out the Euros, but of course he'll be desperate to play.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

MEN have reported that Solskjaer could be ready to hand debuts to right-back Ethan Laird, forward Largie Ramazani and midfielder Hannibal Mejbri.

So he has been told they won't sign anyone?

 

[Bastian]

Tweet

— Twitter API (@user) date

Someone should get fired for this.

Who else but the manager is to blame here? He's come out quite a few times saying he's only doing things for the benefit of the club, that he doesn't care about himself. Then he sacrifices these players for short-term gain.

 

[Red Dreams]

So he has been told they won't sign anyone?

preparing for the worst sounds like. Woodward remember?
Though the latest is we get Bruno over the line.

we are paper thin as is.
Still 4 months to go for the season to finish.

Not unthinkable we will drift to the lower half of the table.

None of Pogba, McT and Rashford are coming back anytime soon.

 

[GwilDor]

Ole was saying they will try and get him ready for the Liverpool game and he is a "quick healer". That's pretty shitty knowing what he is going through regardless

If only Utd had taken him to a Dr... or had a team of medics to check him.

Olé is as culpable as them all for this shambles. Any man and his dog could see Rashford wasn't comfortable at all for a single second of his 13mins against Wolves. It's gross negligance from all involved.
Utd's current situation aside, this is a 22 year old we're talking about - a young man with a potentially career changing injury. Absolutely disgracefully handled by all at the club, but indicative of the amature hour we've become.

Its like you both simply assume OGS is the medical capacity at United. Like,i know the medical department have made mistakes, and that Ole is already filling manager and DOF position, but i wasn’t aware that he had gotten a medical degree and is now head of that department too.They will havegiven their input ahead of the game, apparently not restricting Rashford from playing. I do agree its not a good idea to play him with his knock thoug, almost regardless of how they had assessed the situation beforehand.
As for not getting another striker in last summer, its obvious Ole wanted a replacement, saying he would want a replacement if Lukaku left. See also our attempt to sign Haaland in this window. Not getting anyone in isn’t on Ole’s shoulders is it, at least not mainly.

 

[londonredmaniac]

Its like you both simply assume OGS is the medical capacity at United. Like,i know the medical department have made mistakes, and that Ole is already filling manager and DOF position, but i wasn’t aware that he had gotten a medical degree and is now head of that department too.They will havegiven their input ahead of the game, apparently not restricting Rashford from playing. I do agree its not a good idea to play him with his knock thoug, almost regardless of how they had assessed the situation beforehand.
As for not getting another striker in last summer, its obvious Ole wanted a replacement, saying he would want a replacement if Lukaku left. See also our attempt to sign Haaland in this window. Not getting anyone in isn’t on Ole’s shoulders is it, at least not mainly.

Sensible post

 

[He'sRaldo]

Its like you both simply assume OGS is the medical capacity at United. Like,i know the medical department have made mistakes, and that Ole is already filling manager and DOF position, but i wasn’t aware that he had gotten a medical degree and is now head of that department too.They will havegiven their input ahead of the game, apparently not restricting Rashford from playing. I do agree its not a good idea to play him with his knock thoug, almost regardless of how they had assessed the situation beforehand.
As for not getting another striker in last summer, its obvious Ole wanted a replacement, saying he would want a replacement if Lukaku left. See also our attempt to sign Haaland in this window. Not getting anyone in isn’t on Ole’s shoulders is it, at least not mainly.

That's all well and good but look at the Pogba situation. McTominay. Lingard. Maguire. And now Rashford.

Ole has history rushing players back (which he's admitted to before), and suffering the consequences. Even if he's not directly culpable, at least he should have learned by now to give the players time to heal. At least he should have known not to have a threadbare squad, to prevent the very foreseeable injuries we would have, given our injury problems at the tail end of last season.

I don't criticize Ole much, but I really like Rashford. If this is something that jeopardizes him moving forward, Ole has to carry responsibility for that. I just hope that the injuries to Scott, Maguire, and Pogba aren't that bad, as obviously we won't be getting the true picture from the club any time soon.

 

[United Hobbit]

If he did have the first fracture prior to the Wolves game, while it could have gone against Liverpool or subsequent games, he probably wanted to salvage his job by winning a trophy, the league cup is all but gone after the City debacle so he thought we will aim for the FA Cup

He has now lost one of our best performing players, leaving us with the injury prone Martial and Greenwood who looks quite physically small eg needs more muscle, which is understandable as he is still a teenager and would ideally be used sparingly as we have been doing. He is now potentially going to have to start regularly as with James who is now struggling after a good start and could also do with a rest, how long until he picks up a muscle injury? How long until Martial breaks again? How long can Fred and the aging Matic play every game?

We are now without Rashford for the rest of the season and he's been our top goalscorer. This could cause detriment to our push for top 4 which was still available as everyone else is rubbish, and also our Europa campaign which is another chance of qualifying for the CL. If we go on a horrific run of form in the PL and crash out the Europa (dont forget we could go out the FA Cup next round) then surely Ole will have to go (I'm already in the Ole out camp) as that sort of form will be impossible to ignore? Even though he seems completely safe!

We left ourselves short and continue to faff around regarding Bruno, Sporting will probably up his value as we are now even more desperate, who knows what Pogba will do as well. Did Ole actually want to replace Lukaku (who we may have had more window to replace had we not quibbled over that as well) or was he happy with the squad?

Utter failings all round, its Rashford I feel sorry for I liked his post about still wanting to join in the team meetings whether he actually will or not it's the attitude you want to see.

Anyone know how long a single stress fracture would have taken to rectify? Eg if the "initial" injury is true and we had treated and rested him from them how long would he have been out compared to now?

 

[Judas]

The way this club has performed when it comes to injuries for years has been shocking, a total shambles. This is just another one to add to the never ending list. Barely anything at this club is improving, we're just getting worse.

It's truly a miracle that the youth setup is still seemingly functioning well.

 

[FootyGirl88]

Tweet

— Twitter API (@user) date

 

[Isotope]

I seriously hope Ole learns from this. If he is wired like most people and not a psychopath, he has to feel extreme amount of guilt. The man should of given him a break.

And it's just when he starts to find his stride. Couldn't give a rats ass about he Liverpool result, this right here is what is pissing me off. I seriously believe here is a curse surrounding this club, I have never seen this amount of unfortunate events happening time and time again. it's ridiculous!

Curse? Can't believe you're sucked into that conclusion.

How about a more logical explanation, like incompetent medical staffs, wrong training regime, or overplaying young player?

 

[youngrell]

Same people moaning about rushing players back too early are also moaning about players being out longer than their prognosis.

It’s tedious.

 

[Isotope]

What strikes me the most is Ole's using the word '' unfortunate'' to describe Rashford injury, when he was clearly seen and photographed carrying a bone fracture healing device before the Norwich game!! What kind a medical professional or a coaching staff will allow a player to play a set of games knowing before hand that he has a fractured bone?

This is beyond unfortunate, this is beyond neglect, this is knowingly risking a player in many games not just the Wolves game.

Agreed with this. THe medical staff need to be revamped.
But it may take a year or so though. All those negotiations.

 

[TheReligion]

If this thing about Rashford's injury is true then it is unforgivable and I wouldn't blame Rashford if he left instead of entrusting his future to a bunch of incompetents.

He's not going to leave.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

Tweet

— Twitter API (@user) date

I mean someone is hugely incompetent.

But I don't know who.

Someone on the medical staff or Ole.

Should have rested him as long as possible until he was fully healed instead of being played injured.

 

[LuckyScout78]

From my point of view. This is more of poor decision, then bad luck. But, it goes hand in hand. You first have to make a poor decision, then you are inviting and open the path for bad luck to appear and coming.

And this is clearly a domino falling effect. Poor quick decision by Woodward in the first place, by giving Ole permanent job after PSG. Continue with thinning the squad without replacements. And bad luck use to appear more with average and poor/bottom team. Just like in poker. Best players in poker have most luck, like best teams in the leagues.

Ole is not the best manage out there. But lucky for United. Rashford and Martial. Special Rashford was the biggest factor to help LVG to win FA cup few years back.
Rashford has carry the club from LVG until now. And i can say and truly believe Rashford is more important than Ole is for United. There has been clear signs and true facts.
Rashford would score 30 goals each season if he was playing for Liverpool upfront and taking the penalty. Good enough for 20 goal, for average team like United. Contra the services of Liverpool players. The boy should meant to be playing for a the best team in the league. And i will love to see him with the best quality teammates. Too fast, too skillful and too furious. I cant use this sentence on United right now. Without Rashford, United will be middle table team or lower.
Give the boy the best leader and team soldiers out there. You can’t do anything alone. Marcus Rashford is name of something big. Like Robert Lewandoski. It’s sound really in the ears and easy to remember. Like Rafael Nadal, Pete Sampras, Roger Federer. Or Andy Warhol. Big names for biggest occasions. Simple, sound like music for ears and easy to remember.

The boy Marcus Rashford has it written all over him. But i really really hope he will end up like Steven Gerrard. No premier title playing your whole career for your club. Ole and manager/top leaders can goes. But please not mine top soldiers. Top soldiers like Rashford don’t need Ole or any too manager to be motivate. You can trust on this boy. He will always give his best for the club he is playing. Not depend on the name of the manager.
I need more players of this. Players who always give 100% in every game. Not relying on the motivation from the manager.

If It is time left in this transfer window. Then i will recommend Federico Chiesa from Fiorentina. Its not 100 % sure United will get Sancho. Then alternative of right winger. And This boy. Federico Chiesa. Can play as RW, nr.10, LW and all over attacking line. And still can deliver high level.

Chiesa(RW) - Chiesa (CAM) - Chiesa (LW) + Martial/Greenwood

Chiesa/James - Chiesa/Mata/Gomes - Chiesa/Martial/James + Greenwood/Martial

And a tip and recommendation to United manager and coaching staff. Use Martial as LW against parking bus. You need Martial pace, skills and one on one ability to beat parking bus defender. Then use Greenwood as CF. Best finisher shall be in the box. Greenwood shall not play as RW. Develop Greenwood as a CF and goalscorer specialist.

And Ole as manager. It has been so many poor decisions from summer. And only judge by the look. A look of a great majestic leader. He was a clinical and sharp as a player who had really high luck too. But as manager so far. As permanent manager only. It has been many bad signs and decisions. Lucky to have been play with a winning dominating team. Ole playing for United 2020 would struggle alot. At the age of 22, Rashford is a better football player, the full packet as a football player. Not only about finishing. Ole was and will rely and depend on his teammates. Rashford lesser. Only Martial and LVG passing football/lesser chances for opponents teams, was enough to win FA Cup.

Hopefully and i would love to see EVS from Ajax to take over Woodward football job here at United. ASAP.
Nicky Butt as interim caretaker manager rest of the season.
Then some top quality upcoming managers. That’s has ran out of luck yet. The bank of luck and good decisions are still really high. Some upcoming managers, that are on his way to the top of manager.
Contra Mourinho.The squad he is having. Mourinho might has run out of luck. Start so good with Spurs, now back to where Poch left.
And about Poch. He might need time to observe from the outside. Looking after the best players and talents that are not playing for the biggest clubs yet. When Poch get appoint for one of the biggest. He should already know his transfer targets. Working when you don’t have a job. It just show how dedicate and passion you have.

And it. Rashford and others top quality players performance depend on the manager decisions on and off the pitch. And the manager depend on the Ceo and Owner. So sorry. When you first evaluate a player and manager. Its like a spider net. Relations and mutual dependence. So it get to be long. It is not the simple. A top club success is like a spider net or ingredients. Everything have to be in place = to end in a finish result, calling success. Same of opposite result calling fiasco. Starting by poor decisions, domino effect. Then result fiasco. The two paths.
Right now. United are looking on the poor path, more on the successful path. But at the same time really strange. Chelsea and Spurs have really strong starting line up/XI and squad. Same as Wolves. The others top 4 candidates. Same as the end of last season. All top 4 teams were dropping points.

So sum up. Build the team around Rashford and Greenwood. And add the same level to those. All from CEO of football to manager and players. The way to go and plan. Restart the club. Reconstruct it.
It is much better to totally destroy the building and start to build a solid fundamental from the beginning, than only fix here and there and keep the old house/the old reconstruction. It has rotten to many areas in the house of Manchester United. From top to bottom.

 

[GwilDor]

That's all well and good but look at the Pogba situation. McTominay. Lingard. Maguire. And now Rashford.

Ole has history rushing players back (which he's admitted to before), and suffering the consequences. Even if he's not directly culpable, at least he should have learned by now to give the players time to heal. At least he should have known not to have a threadbare squad, to prevent the very foreseeable injuries we would have, given our injury problems at the tail end of last season.

I don't criticize Ole much, but I really like Rashford. If this is something that jeopardizes him moving forward, Ole has to carry responsibility for that. I just hope that the injuries to Scott, Maguire, and Pogba aren't that bad, as obviously we won't be getting the true picture from the club any time soon.

I think we can agree our squad is a lot thinner than it should be. Is Ole to blame for that? I guess he has his share of the blame. He surely has signed off on the outgoing players, obviously without good enough assurances that replacements were inbound. I have to say i don't know enough about all the specific injuries to say if they're results of single knocks, or a result of being overused over time.
In general though, i'd expect him to trust the medical departments evaluation of the players. What those were exactly we do not know, but i do agree he should learn to adjust how soon he returns players to action when they've had a knock. I surely agree it was not necessary in Rashfords case.

We're in this situation because we don't have a capable squad though, and that has to change.After 1 year in the position, we need to have a list of "suitable" signings now. Everything is for sale. It won't be cheap, but its not cheap to miss out on CL either. It would also make it even harder to get the players we want in the summer. Feel like i'm slipping from topic though, so i'll stop there :P

 

[iammemphis]

Personally find it a joke that Rashford was pressured into playing despite everybody knowing he already had a stress fracture in his back. I mean it beggars belief that somebody like Ole, who has been there and done it with United, has said “Listen Rashy, i know you have broken a bone in your back but....pls hlp ”

Here we have Pogba’s camp coming out proving to everyone just how ludicrous things are being run behind scenes when they are having to take it upon themselves to publicly declare he has a serious injury that he is just not willing to play through anymore, and weeks later they sre still playing the same fecking trick with Rashford.

its beyond fecking stupid, who in this day and age asks a professional athlete to play with a broken back, I don’t care if its slightly possible with great care, fine save it for a world cup or euros, or a champs league latter stages tie, not fecking Wolves at home in the beginning stages of the fa cup.

Now he’s out for months. Out of everything that has happened at the club recently i think this is the most disappointed i have been with the club. For christ sake he was carrying around a bone healing machine to try and get fit. It really shows that it isn’t just at the top of the club things have become a joke but even into first team matters.

Solskjaer made his bed by accepting the transfer of all our players in the summer and he should now lay in it and continue using the youth team like Greenwood and below if Rashford was that seriously injured.

 

[Che Guevara]

I always felt the decision to sell Lukaku was dumb, especially whilst keeping Martial. It's very difficult to get top strikers these days, and they certainly won't be cheap. Certainly Lukaku would have come handy in this crisis.

 

[the chameleon]

I’ve been 50/50 in the solskjaer out campaign. But, him playing rashford against Wolves had a huge contribution to rashford being. This is gross negligence of the highest level. For this alone, plus that post match interview he has to be told to leave at the end of the season.

He has no business running a team like ours. Respect him as a player and legend. But I can’t help but put 60% of the blame on him for this injury.

 

[RedIan]

OGS in his post march press conference was unequivocal stating Rashford did not have a stress fracture before the wolves game and that it occurred in that match. Are we saying he is lying? is there proof there was already a fracture??? I watched the i/v on YouTube earlier and he was asked directly and he was quite clear the injury occurred v wolves.

rashford had some problem before that game but its unclear what, I’m sure I heard a knee issue? of course it is possible he had felt back pain before and hadn’t had a scan? However OGS was pretty clear in his answers.

 

[tonnas]

So it is clear Ole knew what Rashford had beforehand and even mention that Rash was struggling post Norwich, then 4 days later

People keep that talking about ‘overplaying’ is a stupid argument, look at how many games Wolves and Liverpool have played this season, Mane has barley had a rest having played at ACN. Look at all of Newcastle’s and Bournemouth’s injuries, are they down to overplaying?
Rashford’s injury was a impact injury, nothing to do with overplaying, same with MCT. People saying that he was being forced to play with a injury are running with journalist speculation.

You clearly have NO idea what you are talking about.

 

[youngrell]

OGS in his post march press conference was unequivocal stating Rashford did not have a stress fracture before the wolves game and that it occurred in that match. Are we saying he is lying? is there proof there was already a fracture??? I watched the i/v on YouTube earlier and he was asked directly and he was quite clear the injury occurred v wolves.

rashford had some problem before that game but its unclear what, I’m sure I heard a knee issue? of course it is possible he had felt back pain before and hadn’t had a scan? However OGS was pretty clear in his answers.

At least someone is on the same page as me. I feel like I’m going insane reading all these conspiracies on here. Thanks.

 

[Greck]

May have to put this thread on ignore because I get livid everytime I remember the whole shitshow. Each person involved in this is a flipping numbskull. Given ferrari keys to novices. When the lad was limping in the days leading up to this, no one thought to be the voice of reason to the madness. Now just learning the player had to carry bone healing equipment. Hope we haven't jeopardised what his playing peak should be

 

[youngrell]

So it is clear Ole knew what Rashford had beforehand and even mention that Rash was struggling post Norwich, then 4 days later

You clearly have NO idea what you are talking about.

Explain?

Rashford took a hit to the back and McTominay went into a heavy tackle at a poor angle.

They were both certainly impact injuries.

 

[Tom Van Persie]

Tweet

— Twitter API (@user) date

 

[Tom Van Persie]

I'm livid at this situation. It's disgraceful that Rashford was cleared to play and that Ole thought it was a good idea to risk him. Now he could miss the Euros because of our incompetent management and medical staff.

 

[Rolaholic]

The more that's come out regarding Rashfords injury,the more I believe the clubs handling of it might be a sackable offense tbh.

All the reports don't paint a pretty picture in the slightest in terms of optics,not to mention the marerial impact it'll have in setting us back on the pitch where it matters

 

[edgar allan]

I'm livid at this situation. It's disgraceful that Rashford was cleared to play and that Ole thought it was a good idea to risk him. Now he could miss the Euros because of our incompetent management and medical staff.

Missing the Euros would be the only small positive out of a terrible situation.

 

[Hoof the ball]

Missing the Euros would be the only small positive out of a terrible situation.

For us, yes; for Marcus, he'll be devastated if he doesn't make the Euro's.

 

[Cassidy]

We did the same with Pogba, not sure why anyone is suprised

 

[Cassidy]

I mean someone is hugely incompetent.

But I don't know who.

Someone on the medical staff or Ole.

Should have rested him as long as possible until he was fully healed instead of being played injured.

Ole has been talking for weeks about Rashford playing through pain like it was a good thing, I think you have your answer

 

[Tragically Hip]

Reminiscent of what the Golden State Warriors did to Kevin Durant in the NBA Finals last season where Durant ruptured his Achilles when he never should have been playing. It's pretty shocking that these mega corporations can so mismanage their assets when assets like Rashford are so incredibly rare. To think that advancing in the FA Cup was worth risking the long term health (especially his spine) of United's most important player is mind boggling. Like Durant, Rashford should have protected himself and not played, but ultimately Ole put him in and maybe he should pay for that decision.

 

[momo83]

Have I missed something here or is everyone just choosing to listen to the media only?

I seen OGS say that there was no injury to Rashford's back before the Wolves game only that he was fatigued and carrying a few other niggles, and it was caused from a knock to the back during the Wolves game. So why is everyone going on that he had this back injury before the Wolves game?

The Media are saying he had a single fracture that became a double fracture. Don’t you think if they were lying or wrong they’d get sued by the club or at the very least Ole would be outraged by the insinuation that his mismanagement exacerbated an injury?

This isn’t transfer speculation these types of stories are things that the media can’t post without being certain about.

 

[momo83]

Why was Ole so coy about this injury before the match yesterday , in his pre match interview he gave the impression that Rashford could be back in a week or so and just a bit of rest was needed , then mid game a journalist tweets out that Rashford is out for months and post match Ole at first tries to play it down again before the interviewer gets it out of him(by referring to the mid game tweet) that it is a double stress fracture and will be out for months.

I don't see the logic in trying to hide that , it was going to get out anyway. And also who leaked to the journalist?

This something that makes me think skullduggery is taking place. It got officially leaked during United’s match vs Liverpool, right after Ole downplayed the injury. So clearly it was to undermine Ole and put the blame, rightfully but in a snakey way, on Ole. Then you have Neville coming out with his sack Woodward piece. So clearly there’s two camps using the media for different things.

Suspects for leaking it to Henry Winter
1) Ed Woodward has form for being snakey
2) Maybe Riola, but can’t see what he’d get out of it. He’s beef is with the club not Ole.

 

[bondsname]

Curse? Can't believe you're sucked into that conclusion.

How about a more logical explanation, like incompetent medical staffs, wrong training regime, or overplaying young player?

Obviously there's a logical explanation, but we've been so unlucky for 7 years. It's just frustrating.

 

[Rhyme Animal]

Tweet

— Twitter API (@user) date

Completely agree with this - it's becoming a comedy, except that the health of a talented young player being trampled over for the short-term benefit of a clueless, crap manager isn't fecking funny in the slightest.

Just fecking sack him FFS. Or get the Glazers out of our club.

Something has got to give, this club deserves so, so much better.

 

[Hernandez - BFA]

The Media are saying he had a single fracture that became a double fracture. Don’t you think if they were lying or wrong they’d get sued by the club or at the very least Ole would be outraged by the insinuation that his mismanagement exacerbated an injury?

This isn’t transfer speculation these types of stories are things that the media can’t post without being certain about.

I work in Orthopaedics. I do wonder what this actually means. If they are saying that one of his vertebrae that was fractured became two fractured vertebrae following a tackle in the Wolves game - then fair enough, that sounds like an incredibly unfortunate and weirdly bemusing result.

Or do they mean that a single vertebrae that was already fractured worsened to the extent in which the type of fracture (unable to classify what type as it hasn't been released) became bigger in size?

I missed the game so I have no idea what instantly pre-ceeded Rashford to doubling down in pain. Was it a bad tackle into the back or something?

 

[MikeKing]

Tweet

— Twitter API (@user) date

What has he done? Surely Rashford has to go to the doctor if he is in pain, and then inform Ole about it? I think if a player has a little bit of pain it is fine, but not if there is a risk of something happening and medical people should be the ones to calculate that risk.

Has it really been proved that medical team advised Rashford to rest due to an injury and that Ole ignored and refused? Sounds unlikely. If that didn't happen I'm not sure what people are upset about. It is sad that Rashford got injured but it happens.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

What has he done? Surely Rashford has to go to the doctor if he is in pain, and then inform Ole about it? I think if a player has a little bit of pain it is fine, but not if there is a risk of something happening and medical people should be the ones to calculate that risk.

Has it really been proved that medical team advised Rashford to rest due to an injury and that Ole ignored and refused? Sounds unlikely. If that didn't happen I'm not sure what people are upset about. It is sad that Rashford got injured but it happens.

I highly doubt there was a disconnect between the club and Rashford regarding his back situation.

I refuse to believe that.