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Hi it's meI didn't receive a notification. Who is this mythical @Earvin Johnson character? I'm interested to see what he has to say about the current draft.
Deadline for this vote is June 23th (but we're never that strict with them). You find all the fundamental info in the OP of the voting thread.when is the deadline for the votes of the wingers category; because i will need some time to get myself familiar with all the players if i want to do justice to all of them,
What you personally deem important, really. I'm sure the voters will generally try to find a balance between all the factors you mentioned.also what are the criterias that should weigh the most when i'll have to cast the vote. Is it going to be peak, longevity, team success or a blend of all of the above ?
Yes.So this is L/R wing combined?
Generally - all of the above, based on your personal preference.I'm glad this project is resuming, though before casting my vote i have a question, what are the criterias that should weigh the most when i'll have to cast the vote. Is it going to be peak, longevity, team success or a blend of all of the above ?
Wouldn't say so - to me it's more a case of a different accentuation than a straight up advantage. Other players will get their due credit for excellence in more "classical" aspects of wingplay.I feel that players like Di Maria, Robben and Ribery might have an unfair advantage in this because they play as inverted wingers which is by essence a more rewarding playstyle compared to the one classic wingers used to have.
Cheers, the categorization is mostly harms' doing.
Pretty much. If you want to include some winger that's not on the list, but he's not on any other lists as well, feel free to do so (we're not doing preselected lists it to rule out candidates that we don't like, but to make sure votes for players don't split between two categories, hurting their overall standing). You can also list only 20 (or 5 for that matter) — 30 is the maximum amount, not the necessary requirement.I'm not entirely sure what I should be doing here. Just rank 30 out of the 46 preselected "wingers"?
Nope, not anymore(or 5 for that matter)
OK, and it's strictly that position/role, if I think someone is better because they are also great CMs or inside forwards that should be cut out from any consideration, right?Pretty much. If you want to include some winger that's not on the list, but he's not on any other lists as well, feel free to do so (we're not doing preselected lists it to rule out candidates that we don't like, but to make sure votes for players don't split between two categories, hurting their overall standing). You can also list only 20 (or 5 for that matter) — 30 is the maximum amount, not the necessary requirement.
Not necessarily so, but it's up to you in the end.OK, and it's strictly that position/role, if I think someone is better because they are also great CMs or inside forwards that should be cut out from any consideration, right?
Fair enoughNope, not anymore
I used my newly aquired power to put the minimum at 10. Should be no trouble to do.
We've tried to leave as much leeway as possible, but since the ideal situation is to have 1 player in 1 category, I'd probably consider all of his career in the assessment. The idea was to leave the evaluation method entirely up to you, while also making sure that the Nesta situation never happens again (you've probably missed it, but votes for Nesta got split between stoppers & ball-playing CBs, so he ended up way lower on both lists than where he would've been if all those votes were given to him in one of those two categories).OK, and it's strictly that position/role, if I think someone is better because they are also great CMs or inside forwards that should be cut out from any consideration, right?
We've tried to leave as much leeway as possible, but since the ideal situation is to have 1 player in 1 category, I'd probably consider all of his career in the assessment. The idea was to leave the evaluation method entirely up to you, while also making sure that the Nesta situation never happens again (you've probably missed it, but votes for Nesta got split between stoppers & ball-playing CBs, so he ended up way lower on both lists than where he would've been if all those votes were given to him in one of those two categories).
Thank you hahahahaMagic
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Supports Barca, while that alone is a bit meh you probably like modern greats from there which is nice
Questions a winger
Conclusion: I like you @Earvin Johnson
Winning the 1962 World Cup is certainly among the main ones — that’s the most influential performance from a wide player in history of that tournament (with Rensenbrink probably being second best? Robben as well, although his best World Cup was him in a second striker-ish role). Best was unlucky to never feature in one, Džajić/Nedved/Figo performed better at Euros etc.Unpopular opinion : Garrincha shoudn't be a consensus number 1 or 2.
What do you guys think are the main arguments to justify such a ranking.
Yes that was quite an achievement.Winning the 1962 World Cup is certainly among the main ones — that’s the most influential performance from a wide player in history of that tournament (with Rensenbrink probably being second best? Robben as well, although his best World Cup was him in a second striker-ish role). Best was unlucky to never feature in one, Džajić/Nedved/Figo performed better at Euros etc.
Actually, i put Dzajic in front of him because i thought his style of play was more vertical, his passing seemed elite and he seemed to score more consistently. I don't see why he should be ranked out of the top 10 though, because he seems to be one of the few wingers out here who is elite at dribbling, passing and scoring.Not a lists guy ( just ends up stressing me out tbh) but i'm surprised you have Dzajic so high after the questioning of Garrincha. That was fair enough reasoning, but as soon as i've read that i thought Dzajic won't make his top ten.
It was more Dzajic and Best for me. But the more I watched the more impressed I was with Best's close control and balance belonging to another world.Anyone else finding Garrincha vs Best incredibly hard, going back and forth a few times?
From the games & footage I've seen I also prefer Best all in all. So that was the open question...I thought Best was a superior finisher and a better dribbler so there was not much of a struggle for me when it came to rank them.
...while this was the main caveat...@Earvin Johnson Garrincha is a difficult one. I don't feel there's enough footage to truly warrant a full assessment.
...and this the conclusion I came to in the end as well.I suppose ultimately in terms of winger impact on the biggest stage he stands alone.
Cheers. I was wondering when this was going to return
Binge-watching Best for the last couple of months to make a penultimate compilation of him made it a bit easier, even though it’s not really fair to GarrinchaAnyone else finding Garrincha vs Best incredibly hard, going back and forth a few times?
Actually he could’ve been included — since his United version of 06/07 (and around that point) already had a place somewhere close to the top of this list.Has it been determined that Ronaldo is not a winger then?