Bebe
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It was...alright. Nothing more, nothing less. Watch it and forget it material for me. Doubt it would get any significant attention if not for the twitter crowd constantly retweeting the trans joke clip.
The one everyone here is talking about is the one Ricky wrote and acted in.No, I am talking about American all the time. Never seen the British one.
To be fair David Brent was a product of the early noughties. That sort of character wouldn't land the same now.I'm not having a go at you personally here.
When does this thinking stop or become dated?
I'm an Asian bloke who came to this country when young and have heard this pretty much from the late 70's onward.
From it ain't half hot mum to Alf Garnet to Del boy in only fools. And now David Brent.
Is it because the average bloke in UK is a racist, misogynistic type or is it because of something else.
All I know is that as an Asian kid what these fellas said was repeated to "us" on the ground. Words like the paki shop, chinkies, spear chucker, gunga din etc were used from the play ground to the town centre. Wasn't funny tbf
You seem pretty racist yourself.I see Nish Kumar's rant got taken down.
Another misogynistic hack who uses his status as an ethnic minority to spout his misogynistic bullshit and not get called on it.
He first claims that gender ideology opposition is a movement of "straight white men". He must have missed where gender ideologues had to create a new slur "TERF" in attempts to silence women who were standing up for their rights. He must have missed the thousands upon thousands of rape threats and death threats J K Rowling receives from the trans community. He must have missed the women's rights campaign in Manchester last week whereby trans activists turned up in balaclavas to intimidate and assault women who were in attendance.
I don't know who this arrogant fool is thinking he can speak on behalf of ethnic minorities, because every ethnic minority I know thinks he's a cnut. He suggests gender ideology opposition is a "white" movement, why doesn't Nish go to a black neighbourhood and ask a good sample of people whether they think biological males should be in women's changing rooms, women's prisons, women's sports, whether biological males should be calling themselves "lesbians" and whether any lesbians who won't date biological males are "transphobic". Why doesn't he go down to his local mosque and ask the Asian community for their thoughts on gender ideology. Let's see what responses he gets. Maybe this racist and misogynistic idiot will soon realise he has no right to be speaking on behalf of ethnic minorities he has no connection with.
I understand now, people who quoted me talk about UK office, but my initial post was about US one, there was a missunderstanding, you are rightThe one everyone here is talking about is the one Ricky wrote and acted in.
This is like when two villains team up.Fair play to you for bothering but I don't envy you having another 5 pages of brigading added to this thread against you by the usual suspects now
At the risk of being the third villain in the piece, I agree with this.He first claims that gender ideology opposition is a movement of "straight white men". He must have missed where gender ideologues had to create a new slur "TERF" in attempts to silence women who were standing up for their rights. He must have missed the thousands upon thousands of rape threats and death threats J K Rowling receives from the trans community. He must have missed the women's rights campaign in Manchester last week whereby trans activists turned up in balaclavas to intimidate and assault women who were in attendance.
Why doesn't he go down to his local mosque and ask the Asian community for their thoughts on gender ideology. Let's see what responses he gets. Maybe this racist and misogynistic idiot will soon realise he has no right to be speaking on behalf of ethnic minorities he has no connection with.
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In September 2012, a publicity shot of a pensive Nish Kumar found its way into the possession of some mischievous members of the far right. The image was subsequently turned into a meme known as the “Confused Muslim” and used to peddle such piercing religious jousting as: “Angry that Christians insulted my prophet. Cannot insult Jesus as he is a prophet too.” Kumar, who was “raised Hindu”, dedicated an entire section of his stand-up routine to responding to the meme, and admits it did leave him a little confused. “I didn’t even know they’d used it until someone shared it on my Facebook page!”
https://www.newstatesman.com/cultur...goodness-gracious-me-and-choosing-comedy-over
Everyone stop fighting and check out this cool guy right here.^^I know many lesbians personally, both friends and family.
I cede all ground to you (and your lesbian friends and family), you are right - you must be right with such credentials. You are seriously cool and not completely lame as feck.I know many lesbians personally, both friends and family.
This post is so utterly stupid I don't know where to start.Because I called out a misogynistic hack who perpetuates the incredibly offensive notion that racial minorities are a hive mind who hold the same views as him by default, thinks he can speak for minorities of which he's never spoken to and attempts to silence the views of those minorities who don't hold his viewpoints? Sounds like you're another shill for racist and misogynistic hacks, presumably you're offended because you hold the same misogynistic and racist views as he does.
'I've always confronted dogma that oppresses people and limits freedom of expression.
Thanks for doing the admin.Another misogynistic lesbophobe to add to the list.
Legend.I know many lesbians personally, both friends and family.
Does he? Cringe levels of bad, that.
A joke’s a joke. It’s funny or it isn’t. Constantly agonising about who is the target and how their status compares to the status of comedian (or the audience) would be the end of comedy. Luckily, most reasonable people are able to tell when a joke is mean spirited or not and react accordingly.
One thing’s for certain. Standup comedy is infinitely more thoughtful and less mean spirited now than it was 10 or 20 years ago, never mind 30 or 40. We’ve come a long way.
Both of you seem to sum this whole thing up.Someone pegged it earlier in the thread. He's a very average stand up comedian playing to larger audiences than he should be because of his fame.
I like Gervais. I'll give any of his sitcoms a chance, but I won't be rushing to watch his stand up
My take as well. A few good jokes amidst a majority of average ones. The way he occasionally laughs at his own jokes is also a bit cringe.It was...alright. Nothing more, nothing less. Watch it and forget it material for me. Doubt it would get any significant attention if not for the twitter crowd constantly retweeting the trans joke clip.
Assume it's an attempt to appeal to older people, as they realise they can't afford to keep prices low enough to keep their younger subscribers.Haven’t watched it yet but I’ve watched the last few from him and Chapelle and they don’t tend to be as incendiary as Twitter makes out or as funny as the defenders would have you believe.
I do feel it’s a little bit weird though that so many Netflix specials are leading with anti trans sentiment though.
Not going to wade into the trans vs feminist debate here as it is a massively complex issue and the only true winner in that particularly nasty fight is the conservatives who once again get to watch two progressive groups tear each other to shreds whilst they go right on dragging us back to the last century whilst furiously widening income inequality.Haven’t watched it yet but I’ve watched the last few from him and Chapelle and they don’t tend to be as incendiary as Twitter makes out or as funny as the defenders would have you believe.
I do feel it’s a little bit weird though that so many Netflix specials are leading with anti trans sentiment though.
Perhaps. But it’s not like there’s not 100 other dumpster fires to focus on. Just seems like it’s shooting fish in a barrel. Supposed masters of their crafts making cheap ‘I identify as avhelicopter’ type jokes with no revelation behind them.Not going to wade into the trans vs feminist debate here as it is a massively complex issue and the only true winner in that particularly nasty fight is the conservatives who once again get to watch two progressive groups tear each other to shreds whilst they go right on dragging us back to the last century whilst furiously widening income inequality.
With regards to why so many specials are leading with trans sentiment it simply comes down to it being the hot button issue of the day. Comedians write material drawn largely from observing the world around them, trans issues are in vogue hence that becomes part of their schtik, social media highlights that 5 minute segment of each special generating huge publicity, comedian sees topic trending, writes more jokes, more outrage, rinse and repeat until something else finally displaces trans issues at the top of the news cycle.
The likes of Chappelle and Gervais are just bored middle aged guys who spend far too much time online, thats where the focus on trans issues comes from. The shite jokes will because they are now so famous they can't to bomb, so there's really no need for them to keep up standards.Perhaps. But it’s not like there’s not 100 other dumpster fires to focus on. Just seems like it’s shooting fish in a barrel. Supposed masters of their crafts making cheap ‘I identify as avhelicopter’ type jokes with no revelation behind them.
Very much like shooting fish in a barrel but as with most forms of entertainment the most famous and successful are rarely the masters of their craft just the best at following trends and packaging them in easy to digest form for the masses.Perhaps. But it’s not like there’s not 100 other dumpster fires to focus on. Just seems like it’s shooting fish in a barrel. Supposed masters of their crafts making cheap ‘I identify as avhelicopter’ type jokes with no revelation behind them.
There's obviously a massive difference between the norms of LIVE audiences who pay to go to these shows and those within various social media circles who comment on specific issues online.Watched it last night and I'm surprised to hear it's caused much of a stir at all. It was alright but largely the same as his prior work so a bit tired now.
Always find it bizarre when people take such offence over a joke and analyse its impact. You can clip it to make more offensive I'm sure but seems more like some looking for an excuse to argue.
Yeah, same, it's the kind of jokes edgy 15 year old make.I like a bit of edgy comedy but repeadly making jokes about kids having cancer isn't funny to me.
Seems your wish has been granted. I went to watch him do the Snowflake/Tornado show last night in Colchester and the Chapelle/Gervais routine was one of the highlights of the night. Won't spoil it but apparently they filmed it in York a few weeks back and it'll be on the beeb later this year.The trans jokes were just lazy and unimaginative tropes that you find on Twitter and YouTube comments but that follows on from most of his stand-up material. He's not particularly good at crafting jokes in complex ways like George Carlin, Chapelle or Stewart Lee. He goes for shock value far too often and it gets tedious.
Now I'd really like to hear Stewart Lee do a routine about Gervais.