Pagh Wraith
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No?! Are we seriously debating this?People who kill other people don't deserve to die or killed? Interesting.
No?! Are we seriously debating this?People who kill other people don't deserve to die or killed? Interesting.
Yes. So you think terrorists don't deserve to be killed. Well each to their own.No?! Are we seriously debating this?
Personally I think 9 years is too much for rape considering murder only gets you around 20 in most countries. Also the court ordered him to pay the victim 60,000€ in compensation. What the heck? I think 3-5 years in prison and a high six- or seven-digit sum would be appropriate.
Same way no-one deserves to be raped or violated sexually.No one deserves to die. Period. I can't express how troublesome I find it that people still support the death penalty in this day and age. Also taking someone's life to me is so much worse than any other violent or sexual crime and that has to be reflected in the sentence.
Yep. Preferably both of them.Filthy sex cases deserve to be hung by the neck until they are dead.
Failing that, someone should take a shotgun and blow the feckers head off..!!
If you engage them in combat or chase them through the city centre when they're on the loose, then sure, kill them. I thought we were talking about people in captivity.Yes. So you think terrorists don't deserve to be killed. Well each to their own.
Yeah so terrorists who are caught deserves jail time and should be let free after their jail time?If you engage them in combat or chase them through the city centre when they're on the loose, then sure, kill them. I thought we were talking about people in captivity.
I explicitely stated earlier that murderers should serve life without any chance of getting out. That includes terrorists.Yeah so terrorists who are caught deserves jail time and should be let free after their jail time?
Shame no one told Indian govt not to do that to Kasab.
What good that would do except burden on officers to look after scums of the world.I explicitely stated earlier that murderers should serve life without any chance of getting out. That includes terrorists.
There is a reason civilised nations around the world have abolished the death penalty. But we're getting off topic.What good that would do except burden on officers to look after scums of the world.
Human Rights are the worst, right?Yes. So you think terrorists don't deserve to be killed. Well each to their own.
By any chance you work for human rights crap thing?
They aren't, but they are when they start talking about criminals.Human Rights are the worst, right?
Or they are idiots for keeping terrorists alive.There is a reason civilised nations around the world have abolished the death penalty. But we're getting off topic.
A bit harsh considering he had his conviction overturned on appeal and then at his retrial was found not guilty.Amazing idea. Should have done that with Ched Evans.
Even putting aside the moral arguments of how criminals should be treated, the only thing that ever needs to be said to immediately shut down the suggestion of capital punishment is that sometimes people are wrongly convicted.They aren't, but they are when they start talking about criminals.
What is the maximum sentence? 3-5 years is nothing. You will get that kind of sentence only if there are some mitigating circumstances in the case. Stop talking nonsense.The minimum sentence for rape in Germany is two years. We can argue if that is too low, but 3-5 years is much more in line with the law than the mandatory 25-30 years that have been suggested.
I don't have problem with that, I mean not giving harsher punishments for people where there is a doubt but when it comes to capital punishments for terrorists like Kasab, Human rights acted like some sort of innocent was killed which was insane. Sometimes it's okay to put the book aside and think with common sense.Even putting aside the moral arguments of how criminals should be treated, the only thing that ever needs to be said to immediately shut down the suggestion of capital punishment is that sometimes people are wrongly convicted.
The risk of putting an innocent person to death infinitely outweighs any 'benefit' that could be argued for certain cases.
It's all of the above but they are secondary reasons in my opinion. People have lost sight of what prison is really about. And that is removing dangerous or anti-social individuals from the general populace so that the general populace can get on with their lives and prosper in a safer environment.People are surprisingly fixated on punishment. Isn't prison about deterrence and rehabilitation?
The longer you spend time in a typical prison, the less likely you'll be able to be rehabilitated.I know. He thinks the appropriate punishment for a gang rape is 3 to 5 years jail. The funny or scary thing is his opinion is not an isolated one there was a case of a swim star in the USA that served 3 months jail for sexual assault. The judge said mitigating factors were his clean record and youth. I am not for mob justice or cruel punishments but the punishment must be somewhat of a deterrent. Also, there should be equal justice for all and no one should be above the law regardless of their fame and fortune so Joe the plumber should be treated the same as Joe the football star or Joe the billionaire.
Lastly I have to say that posters that are advocating capital punishments are going a bit far. He should serve a fair jail term and then be rehabilitated back into society.
What? It can't be reversed.That's why you do it chemically, since that treatment can be stopped.
I agree that the death penalty should not be used. However, I think you are not considering how much mental trauma rape can cause. Let's say before you were raped you were a generally mentally healthy person, but prone to worrying about things. You get raped, your anxiety spikes through the roof, you get symptoms of PTSD, this fear and panic evolves into general depression and suddenly life doesn't seem so worth living anymore.No one deserves to die. Period. I can't express how troublesome I find it that people still support the death penalty in this day and age. Also taking someone's life to me is so much worse than any other violent or sexual crime and that has to be reflected in the sentence.
Because people have been "proven guilty beyond any doubt" and found out to be innocent many years later.I don't have problem with that, I mean not giving harsher punishments for people where there is a doubt but when it comes to capital punishments for terrorists like Kasab, Human rights acted like some sort of innocent was killed which was insane. Sometimes it's okay to put the book aside and think with common sense.
Then there was Delhi rape case which shook whole India and even made amendments to law, criminal were proven beyond any doubt, so why should those people deserved to live even in the prison?
I have given examples where one was caught killing people and others admitted everything and even gave interviews.Because people have been "proven guilty beyond any doubt" and found out to be innocent many years later.
It's hardly a meaningful discussion. It stopped being one when you suggested 10 years for rape is not fair on the rapists. Give your head a wobble.How does nonsense like this contribute to a meaningful discussion?
False confessions happen, and the law has to be consistent across the board. You can't have cases where you say "well we're really really sure with this one". The death penalty is wrong, but it's also flawed.I have given examples where one was caught killing people and others admitted everything and even gave interviews.
Good post. On reflection I wasn't being entirely serious with the drown in lava thing, but definitely 3 to 5 years is not an adequate punishment.FWIW, I don't understand how someone can see that 9 years for gang rape is too harsh a sentence and if anything it should be even longer. However, at the same time calling for things like the death penalty or more to the point some other draconian punishment that belongs in the middle ages probably isn't the answer either. There's a reason why civilised countries don't advocate chopping the dick and balls off a rapist because we've moved on a fair bit from that kind of thing. Not that I necessarily blame people for thinking like that because topics like these will always be emotive. For me, tough prison sentences are the best answer for serious crimes.
This.People are surprisingly fixated on punishment. Isn't prison about deterrence and rehabilitation?
I find this sort of pacifism total bollocks. I think this is one thing that the Sharia law has got perfectly right. There should be death penalty for everything starting from manslaughter/culpable homicide upwards and definitely for all forms of murder and rape.No one deserves to die. Period. I can't express how troublesome I find it that people still support the death penalty in this day and age. Also taking someone's life to me is so much worse than any other violent or sexual crime and that has to be reflected in the sentence.
I find this sort of pacifism total bollocks. .
Yeah like posts from @ADJUDICATOR which are total bollocks.A bit like this
(This was likely a joke)
Well, no, I do agree with the balls chopped off (or similar) for reincidence.A bit like this
(This was likely a joke)
Absolutely. And this one here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Lesley_Molseed is probably the most famous in modern British history. While there are others, this one in particular makes my blood boil. The British justice system is one of the best around but what happened to Stefan Kiszko was utterly shameful.False confessions happen, and the law has to be consistent across the board. You can't have cases where you say "well we're really really sure with this one". The death penalty is wrong, but it's also flawed.
Majority don't actually mean it, for me it was just the inital anger of reading rediculous posts suggesting more lenient treatment to rapists.Are people suggesting these medieval punishments seriously, or just joking around?
Of course we can't but people saying his sentence was too much and dismissing the harm done to the victim, with paying them some money riled people. Also a City fan said it is possible he has done something before, so he obviously has an issue with right and wrong and at his age he might not be ready to learn, so a good spell in prison might help. I personally don't think rape is taken seriously enough.Are people suggesting these medieval punishments seriously, or just joking around?
The state can't go around killing people and chopping bits off. That's the sort of thing the Arab world is looked down for, while we in the west smugly point to our democracy and fair justice.