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No, because his next two best goalscoring seasons in a league are with Inter when he won a title.Do you not think it might have something to do with expectations and mentality?
No, because his next two best goalscoring seasons in a league are with Inter when he won a title.Do you not think it might have something to do with expectations and mentality?
Do you think there’s that same level of weight and expectancy playing in Italy for Inter ? InterestingNo, because his next two best goalscoring seasons in a league are with Inter when he won a title.
Which isn't something to brag about.We finished ahead of you in his first season with us!
There is likely more weight and expectations, Inter are a massive club in a country full of regine del dramma.Do you think there’s that same level of weight and expectancy playing in Italy for Inter ? Interesting
I think Inter fans and the club expect them to be competing for titles, yeah. Plus the pressure to be the first club to topple the Juventus stranglehold would have been quite large.Do you think there’s that same level of weight and expectancy playing in Italy for Inter ? Interesting
Can’t say I agree.There is likely more weight and expectations, Inter are a massive club in a country full of regine del dramma.
Do Belgium use him with a partner?I think Inter fans and the club expect them to be competing for titles, yeah. Plus the pressure to be the first club to topple the Juventus stranglehold would have been quite large.
I just think both us and Inter used him correctly, with a strike partner that complements him and let’s him play with his athletic ability (pace and power with the ball) / his ability to be a poacher.
None of this target man nonsense that he’s below average at doing.
Why? The PL is frankly chill, it's not the league with the highest pressure from fans or even the press.Can’t say I agree.
Jose was in an uncharacteristically experimental mood for the first half of 17/18, and played a two up front with Lukaku on the right of Martial a few times. I particularly remember an away game in the Champions League (Moscow?) where it worked rather well.Can’t say I agree.
Do Belgium use him with a partner?
I think he’s been mentally weak myself. Also very unprofessional at times. No coincidence that both his big moves he’s blown himself and similar noise comes from him at both clubs.
The first half of the second season always seems to be when Jose sides peak.Jose was in an uncharacteristically experimental mood for the first half of 17/18, and played a two up front with Lukaku on the right of Martial a few times. I particularly remember an away game in the Champions League (Moscow?) where it worked rather well.
All that came to an end around Christmas after he’d got his contract extension and retreated into the most risk-averse football imaginable.
Lukaku does seem to have a very fragile ego. High maintenance players are only worth persevering with if they’re really outstanding. He isn’t.
in your opinion but I think you’re incorrectWhy? The PL is frankly chill, it's not the league with the highest pressure from fans or even the press.
Well it was certainly true of his second stint with you lot. I’m not sure about us though; that whole season was very odd. Matic was really good at the start, Jose tried various formations and gave the impression that he was determined to do well. There were a few worryingly negative performances amidst the positive stuff though; a total bus park away to an out of form Liverpool wound up a lot of people on here.The first half of the second season always seems to be when Jose sides peak.
I feel it's the perfect sweetspot of players being well integrated into his methods but at the same time it's too early to be burned out by them.
Why? I could be wrong but what makes you think that there is more pressure in the PL when the british press and fans are significantly better behaved.in your opinion but I think you’re incorrect
Literally just posted similar on another thread. In general fans of English clubs are much easier to please.Why? I could be wrong but what makes you think that there is more pressure in the PL when the british press and fans are significantly better behaved.
The PL is the biggest and more wealthy league in the world. It’s literally the pinnacle of the sport to the vast majority of professionals.Why? I could be wrong but what makes you think that there is more pressure in the PL when the british press and fans are significantly better behaved.
You are incredibly wrong on this one.The PL is the biggest and more wealthy league in the world. It’s literally the pinnacle of the sport to the vast majority of professionals.
The pressure of playing at a one of the biggest clubs in the world as the new number 9 (United) isn’t easy and has far more scrutiny than Inter.
In your opinion perhapsYou are incredibly wrong on this one.
Would you say that the pressure is higher when you play for Boca Junior or West Ham?In your opinion perhaps
EboueWould you say that the pressure is higher when you play for Boca Junior or West Ham?
You’re obviously unfamiliar with life in these hot-blooded Latin places. Just look at how forgiving the United support is.The PL is the biggest and more wealthy league in the world. It’s literally the pinnacle of the sport to the vast majority of professionals.
The pressure of playing at a one of the biggest clubs in the world as the new number 9 (United) isn’t easy and has far more scrutiny than Inter.
I would honestly say West Ham. Playing for big clubs in smaller leagues has completely different pressures, climate and expectations. Boca, while having constant pressure to challenge, are extremely well versed in bringing through young players and that is part of the club culture. There is more patience, in my opinion.Would you say that the pressure is higher when you play for Boca Junior or West Ham?
So you think that there is more pressure in a club that has no pressure to challegend for anything and that isn't the most followed in his own town? That makes no sense, also the Haller point is fairly weak, Haller is simply not a particularly good player. And do you follow the same logic with Moyes and Real Sociedad?I would honestly say West Ham. Playing for big clubs in smaller leagues has completely different pressures, climate and expectations. Boca, while having constant pressure to challenge, are extremely well versed in bringing through young players and that is part of the club culture. There is more patience, in my opinion.
The world is watching in the PL and you need to deliver immediately. The money has changed the culture of the league and increased fans expectations. Just look at Haller, as an example, who flopped at West Ham and found his confidence again at a massive CL club in a lesser league.
Even the knowledge that players who are too good will move on is changing in the PL. A team like Boca will always lose special players, almost immediately, to Europe. Whereas, in the PL, teams like Leicester, Villa and West Ham fully expect to be able to keep their best players for a long time, and they have the money to do so.
I live in South America, and even though they are fanatical about their teams, there is a lot more patience with players, and the quality of the football, than there would be with PL fans.
Yeah, but it’s a very different culture. South American calendars are absolutely full of games and lots of players get run outs in lots of competitions that often overlap. You are never far from another chance at winning something and fans get behind young players and have patience with those that have served the club well (often players who weren’t good enough for a career overseas)So you think that there is more pressure in a club that has no pressure to challegend for anything and that isn't the most followed in his own town? That makes no sense, also the Haller point is fairly weak, Haller is simply not a particularly good player. And do you follow the same logic with Moyes and Real Sociedad?
And West Ham do not provide more pressure than Boca, for the reason that you mentioned only one them has a constant pressure to challenge, they are bigger club locally than West Ham which is the only thing that matter and the cultures are totally different and lot more "aggressive" and impatient in South America and South of Europe. The PL is the biggest league that is true but it's also the league that has the more distance between fans, players, it's the top league with the least atmosphere too, allegedly due to the cost of tickets which brings a different demographic to stadiums.
I think he is talking about pressure and behavior from fans towards players, not necessarily from media or how difficult is the league.I would honestly say West Ham. Playing for big clubs in smaller leagues has completely different pressures, climate and expectations. Boca, while having constant pressure to challenge, are extremely well versed in bringing through young players and that is part of the club culture. There is more patience, in my opinion.
The world is watching in the PL and you need to deliver immediately. The money has changed the culture of the league and increased fans expectations. Just look at Haller, as an example, who flopped at West Ham and found his confidence again at a massive CL club in a lesser league.
Even the knowledge that players who are too good will move on is changing in the PL. A team like Boca will always lose special players, almost immediately, to Europe. Whereas, in the PL, teams like Leicester, Villa and West Ham fully expect to be able to keep their best players for a long time, and they have the money to do so.
I live in South America, and even though they are fanatical about their teams, there is a lot more patience with players, and the quality of the football, than there would be with PL fans.
Ya think?It's weird that he actually did better with us than Chelsea and that he's has left virtually every club he's played for in England with bad comments (I wanted to leave United after my second game or something to that effect) or on bad terms (other than West Brom). Seems a very oversensitive guy.
Yeah, fair enough if you are talking about that type of pressure and not the pressure to perform, which I would suggest is much worse here for the reasons I have stated.I think he is talking about pressure and behavior from fans towards players, not necessarily from media or how difficult is the league.
In that aspect, i would say English fans are way better behaved than in other countries, there is more hostile behavior from fans towards players who don't deliver in Italy,Spain,Portugal,France, Argentina, Brazil, etc, even throwing projectiles (unfortunately) or doing other nasty stuff.
PL match going fans seem to be more tolerant towards players who fail, compared to other countries.
We have seen fans invading pitches in France to beat their own players, Sporting CP fans invading the dressing room to beat their own players, italian ultras sending death threats to underperforming players, etc...even in Belgium i remember some guy throwing a projectile to his own player, etc
It's undeniable that english fans are way more tolerant with their own players, which is a good thing btw.
Haven't we just had a spate of staff being assaulted in the pitch by fans?I think he is talking about pressure and behavior from fans towards players, not necessarily from media or how difficult is the league.
In that aspect, i would say English fans are way better behaved than in other countries, there is more hostile behavior from fans towards players who don't deliver in Italy,Spain,Portugal,France, Argentina, Brazil, etc, even throwing projectiles (unfortunately) or doing other nasty stuff.
PL match going fans seem to be more tolerant towards players who fail, compared to other countries.
We have seen fans invading pitches in France to beat their own players, Sporting CP fans invading the dressing room to beat their own players, italian ultras sending death threats to underperforming players, etc...even in Belgium i remember some guy throwing a projectile to his own player, etc
It's undeniable that english fans are way more tolerant with their own players, which is a good thing btw.
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Umm, are we talking about the same guy?I think Inter fans and the club expect them to be competing for titles, yeah. Plus the pressure to be the first club to topple the Juventus stranglehold would have been quite large.
I just think both us and Inter used him correctly, with a strike partner that complements him and let’s him play with his athletic ability (pace and power with the ball) / his ability to be a poacher.
None of this target man nonsense that he’s below average at doing.
Schrodinger’s Lukaku.Umm, are we talking about the same guy?
He's horrendous as a poacher and Conte's Inter used him as a target man all the time.
He scored loads with Everton by either one touch finished in and around the 6 yard box via low crosses/keeper spilling it OR receiving the ball and then running at the defence or goal. He is a target in the sense that you can give it to him to feet or through ball it to him and he can run with it using his athleticism but he’s not a traditional target man that will play with his back to goal and involve others. That’s one of his biggest weaknesses.Umm, are we talking about the same guy?
He's horrendous as a poacher and Conte's Inter used him as a target man all the time.
There is nothing laughable about that. Being a 50M+ player at United doesn’t mean much now. We are buying AWB for 50M. The club can survive missing the CL and winning nothing. The fans are now used to failure and are accepting it.There is more pressure playing for Inter Milan than Manchester United
Some of the statements on this forum are absurd
Pressure is relative. You only feel the pressure of the environment you're inserted in. Gravity is stronger in saturn, but you fall to the ground due to earths gravity. One must think since United is bigger in the global stage, players are under heavier pressure, but clubs like Inter Milan are traditional giants and there is a enourmous weight over their players.There is more pressure playing for Inter Milan than Manchester United
Some of the statements on this forum are absurd
Is this true? You say it quite definitively, yet Série A and Ligue 1 matches are often sparse in attendance and atmosphere. The only top league that seems to be really well run from a fan's perspective is the Bundesliga. The others appear very much hit and miss.So you think that there is more pressure in a club that has no pressure to challegend for anything and that isn't the most followed in his own town? That makes no sense, also the Haller point is fairly weak, Haller is simply not a particularly good player. And do you follow the same logic with Moyes and Real Sociedad?
And West Ham do not provide more pressure than Boca, for the reason that you mentioned only one them has a constant pressure to challenge, they are bigger club locally than West Ham which is the only thing that matter and the cultures are totally different and lot more "aggressive" and impatient in South America and South of Europe. The PL is the biggest league that is true but it's also the league that has the more distance between fans, players, it's the top league with the least atmosphere too, allegedly due to the cost of tickets which brings a different demographic to stadiums.
ehehe, yeah.Schrodinger’s Lukaku.
When fans of the two clubs he had his best performance for couldn’t even agree about his strengths and weaknesses.
That is why people turn down the EPL for their entire career to go play for their dream clubs Real Madrid or Barcelona. I am not saying the EPL is a lower league but it is not the biggest and it does not have the biggest teams. Some fans have tried to convince themselves of this about the EPL, but it does not wash.The PL is the biggest and more wealthy league in the world. It’s literally the pinnacle of the sport to the vast majority of professionals.
The pressure of playing at a one of the biggest clubs in the world as the new number 9 (United) isn’t easy and has far more scrutiny than Inter.
Lukaku wasn't just £50m+ though, he was the second most expensive player in Man United history at the time, only Pogba was more expensive.There is nothing laughable about that. Being a 50M+ player at United doesn’t mean much now. We are buying AWB for 50M. The club can survive missing the CL and winning nothing. The fans are now used to failure and are accepting it.
Inter can’t afford a 50M player who becomes disappointing. When they paid that money for Lukaku he was forced to deliver. They play in a lesser league, but that means they have to challenge for the title, and they know that finishing outside top 4 can lead to bankruptcy..
Haven't Inter finished outside of the top 4 just as much as United since 2013? And for nine years only one team won that lesser league, with Inter rarely competing. They have been in and amongst the past few years, but before that they have been in the wilderness for a significant period of time. It's hardly the life and death scenario you have posited it as.There is nothing laughable about that. Being a 50M+ player at United doesn’t mean much now. We are buying AWB for 50M. The club can survive missing the CL and winning nothing. The fans are now used to failure and are accepting it.
Inter can’t afford a 50M player who becomes disappointing. When they paid that money for Lukaku he was forced to deliver. They play in a lesser league, but that means they have to challenge for the title, and they know that finishing outside top 4 can lead to bankruptcy..