Plus the clear and present bias in the commentary. Roy was just providing some much needed objectivity
Roy Keane the pundit
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The exchange with wright was a snapshot of lots of incidents in last week or so. Keane didnt say anything controversial, the point of a panel is to have different perspectives, and wright had a meltdown.
Wright mocking his accent, as if there is only one way to speak english, is also not especially surprising. Lucky it wasnt drogba or a player from a country where a pundit impersonating his accent is not ok.
Wright mocking his accent, as if there is only one way to speak english, is also not especially surprising. Lucky it wasnt drogba or a player from a country where a pundit impersonating his accent is not ok.
Nothing wrong with England fans, public etc been excited they were in a semi-final of a World Cup. Keane just loves stirring shit, he knew what he was at, it is entertaining.
Feck that, Roy had standards and the entire setup was a joke. He was the captain and his knee injury and integrity was called in to question by Mc Carthy. In front of the entire team, he should have busted him.
Yeah it's all one sided, but on the one hand you can't blame them for getting excited. On the other, especially with the BBC, they have to remember the rest of us at some point.
It's good having Roy there, he's the objective voice of pure menace that makes it tolerable. He was the same in the first Croatia match when Bilic was getting carried away. There was Roy steering the ship of sense while clearly contemplating physically harming a man on live TV. He's a national treasure for all nations. Except the ones that have disappointed him, obviously.
He played in the 1994 World Cup and Ireland reached the knockout stages. Keane was voted our player of the tournament.
Nothing wrong with excitement but it was ridiculous.
You got the impression that if enough people said "It's coming home" then that was it. . . .the results would follow.
Nothing short of a weird frenzy went on.
Let's remind ourselves that "it's coming home" referred originally to England HOSTING Euro96 and , er, never had diddly squat to do with the WC.
But "It's coming home" seemed to take on some sort of "The WC is coming home". . . . Such hubris.
I think a lot of it was tongue in cheek,not a big deal imo.
Roy was spot on, he doesn't need to jump on the media hype train like the rest. His job is to be objective and call it from his perspective, uncompromising as it is. I genuinely felt sorry for England tonight, in particular the United boys. It's a likeable group and would have been great for England. The it's coming home thing was banter but turned in to something incredibly annoying. The media are strange, it's either doom and dismantling everyone like the euros. On the flip side, it's over hyping and getting carried away to delusional Liverpool levels. Roy was right about them getting carried away, might not get a better chance of getting to a final for decades. The real issue maybe is Wright mocking Roy's Cork accent. What's refreshing about Roy is that he's honest, the rest seem tedious and on to scripted. At least with him, you know he's going to give you something genuine with a bit of edge.
England didn't go toe to toe with the best in this tournament which is why they got to the semi final in the first place. I wouldn't class Colombia or Sweden as international big boys. If they had faced stronger opposition earlier they would likely have been going home earlier. Also in 4 years time Germany, Spain, Argentina even the Italians who didn't make the tournament will all be hoping for improvement so I agree with Keane England have blown a massive chance. The way the draw fell for them this time was a real stroke of luck.They have hit the same old problem they always meet in big competitions and that is that they can't dictate the tempo of matches and control a game. There is big talk of resting players for the 3rd place play off which I disagree with both sides should now field their best sides and see who wins. That will be a good barometer for England in moving forward.
I sure do.
Where you proud? You shouldn’t have been it was only the knock out stages. So what he got voted your player of the tournament.. no good as you came back empty handed was it.
Mate it was just abit or fun. Get over it.
Roy's a contrarIan and he's paid to be. Then again his comments were entirely in keeping with his view on the game and how people should behave. He'd have said the same if it was Ireland they were talking about.
No just stating he had played in a World Cup and played very well, including a victory over a very good Italian side that reached the final. Keane certainly has as much right to his opinion as Lee Dixon or Ian Wright.
I thought Keane and Wright were both pathetic in their own way. Keane for being a miserable git who took everything seriously, I can understand the mindset if you're a player but if you're pundit, you're a bit more detached from the game and therefore you should be able to enjoy yourself a little more. Wright was a disgrace in the way he reacted to Keane confronting him, acting with all this fake modesty/
Nothing wrong with what keano said about the actual game and the players and I don't think anyone on the panel disagreed with what he said about that.
It was when he accused the English of being arrogant that it flared up a little, he knew he was being provocative and wright defended himself.
Wright was out of order mocking his accent though but that stuff happens when you have a battle of wits with someone who doesn't have any.
Keanes been good value during this tournament, watching him trying so hard to remain steely faced despite clearly wanting to laugh has been hilarious
It was when he accused the English of being arrogant that it flared up a little, he knew he was being provocative and wright defended himself.
Wright was out of order mocking his accent though but that stuff happens when you have a battle of wits with someone who doesn't have any.
Keanes been good value during this tournament, watching him trying so hard to remain steely faced despite clearly wanting to laugh has been hilarious
I kinda disagree because a big problem with England has ALWAYS been the attitude. Even when it's joking, it becomes less and less the further you go. This is a country that said when Rooney was coming through that he would win us a championship! But it completely ignores the talent in other nations. If England fought more. Got stuck in more? Then that's one thing but England lack in a lot of areas and some people might say we're a great footballing nation! We got to the semi finals etc...but we're not. Maybe Euro 96 - but I lost track of how many times watching England has bored the crap out of me. Our players, just don't perform
Pace and power...Alan Shearer's mantra is why we aren't that great on the international stage. Till that mindset changes I'm afraid there won't be any finals. It's been like this since the jurassic period...so.....
As for Keano's..he's loving it.
As for Keano's..he's loving it.
That's the difference between
Roy Keane
Manchester United
Premier League: 1993–94, 1995–96, 1996–97, 1998–99, 1999–2000, 2000–01, 2002–03
FA Cup: 1993–94, 1995–96, 1998–99, 2003–04
FA Community Shield: 1993, 1996, 1997, 2003
UEFA Champions League: 1998–99
Intercontinental Cup: 1999
Celtic
Scottish Premier League: 2005–06
Scottish League Cup: 2005–06
and Ian Wright
Crystal Palace
Arsenal
Roy Keane
Manchester United
Premier League: 1993–94, 1995–96, 1996–97, 1998–99, 1999–2000, 2000–01, 2002–03
FA Cup: 1993–94, 1995–96, 1998–99, 2003–04
FA Community Shield: 1993, 1996, 1997, 2003
UEFA Champions League: 1998–99
Intercontinental Cup: 1999
Celtic
Scottish Premier League: 2005–06
Scottish League Cup: 2005–06
and Ian Wright
Crystal Palace
Arsenal
- Premier League: 1997–98[95]
- FA Cup: 1992–93, 1997–98
- Football League Cup: 1992–93
- European Cup Winners' Cup: 1993–94
He’s starting to look like Agnes Brown!
I thought Keano was 100% correct in everything he said yesterday, which I've by no means thought about his punditry in the past. Where the others were mostly talking about lack of experience, being unlucky etc. Keane was talking about a lack of quality and big game mentality.
I'm proud and very pleasantly surprised by our showing at this tournament but what's the sense in gilding the lily? We didn't do anywhere near enough in the last 75 minutes of the football match last night, and though WC/crunch game experience of course plays a role it would be remiss of us not to mention the technical aspects that were sorely lacking; our lack of composure when passing, how we couldn't get out from their press (particularly the fullbacks), Kane ridiculously deep needing to help out the stretched three man midfield who (with good reason) couldn't deal with the Croat's width and clever switching of play.
England exceeded expectations superbly this WC but it's already starting to irritate me how pride, lacking a bit of luck and all the rest is all most people can come out with. I appreciate it was perhaps too early for a full postmortem but I was thankful Keane was on there talking about our technical limitations and a missed opportunity.
I'm proud and very pleasantly surprised by our showing at this tournament but what's the sense in gilding the lily? We didn't do anywhere near enough in the last 75 minutes of the football match last night, and though WC/crunch game experience of course plays a role it would be remiss of us not to mention the technical aspects that were sorely lacking; our lack of composure when passing, how we couldn't get out from their press (particularly the fullbacks), Kane ridiculously deep needing to help out the stretched three man midfield who (with good reason) couldn't deal with the Croat's width and clever switching of play.
England exceeded expectations superbly this WC but it's already starting to irritate me how pride, lacking a bit of luck and all the rest is all most people can come out with. I appreciate it was perhaps too early for a full postmortem but I was thankful Keane was on there talking about our technical limitations and a missed opportunity.
One of the few pundits with an opinion and he isn't afraid to say it how it is.
I personally think he could cheer up, but his words are often truthful.
He was bang on last night
I personally think he could cheer up, but his words are often truthful.
He was bang on last night
Agreed (with @Art Vandelay too); us and we is why for a long time the British channels have been unwatchable. It has eased off quite a bit in recent years; I like Lineker and Rio; Keano added balance for ITV.
Good thing he said it was fine to be excited.
I swear people don't even listen to what Keane says before coming in here chatting shit.
Yep blatantly said that. Nobody is going to blame fans for being excited but the last few days saw an exponential rise in talk of coming home. Its good and well to say now, it was just a chant and just banter in terms of the endless chat about it, but it wouldnt have beeb had england won it- it seemed like it was driving towards creating this epic summer that the world cup was won. The 66 team were pissed at not being invited to final, posters here were talking about how england would need to play to beat france etc
So absolutely while all fans are guilty of same to a certain extent keanes point was less about that and more about focusing on the next game. Seems to have really rubbed people up the wrong way
Thought Keane and Neville were spot on and honest with their assessments. Wright is a terrible pundit who is irrational and acts on emotion rather than any sound reasoning.
Wright shouldn’t be on tv. Closet bigot
Nah disagree.
No problems with Keane, but football is a chance to dream. I had England in the final before it started. So long as you can take it when you don't achieve it, there's no problems with getting excited and being confident
Now.. who will United beat in next season's CL Final?
Agree 100%, but fixed it for you.
Wright is just a clown. He's not out there for his views or insight, he's just a giddy fecker that is supposed to be a bit of entertainment for viewers.
God how i despise Wright so much when he mocked Keane's accent.
keane was bang on with his assessment, just shows the standards he held us to and drove us forwards with
I really like Wright as a pundit as he is a total fan. He really let himself down last night though when he did that.
It looks like a staged gag to me.
Could sack half of British broadcasting in that case
It honestly amazes me how much the english fans grate on the likes of the rest of the British Isles. Its actually hilarious despite us losing in the semi finals. Watching Keane roll his eyes painfully as Wrighty (class A bellend for the accent mocking by the way) was standing up for the rest of the fans back home getting over excited, its what we do ffs!! If you can’t take the piss out of yourselves full well knowing the odds being against you then what’s the point in trying to enjoy the game.
SEMI FINAL OF A WORLD CUP LADS!! LETSSSSS sit down quietly and not talk or jest about our comical history in football. Let’s just have a cup of tea and some buscits and get tucked up into bed. No talk of the final please. Lets be serious about this.
Also, why the feck is Keane acting like the whole nation is the voice of the English team? I’ve not heard one comment about being in the final from the players or Gareth, apart from the odd social media joke here and there from Lingard. All the noises were one game at a time, and clearly behind the scenes everything was being run in an ultra professional way because of how well the team did.
SEMI FINAL OF A WORLD CUP LADS!! LETSSSSS sit down quietly and not talk or jest about our comical history in football. Let’s just have a cup of tea and some buscits and get tucked up into bed. No talk of the final please. Lets be serious about this.
Also, why the feck is Keane acting like the whole nation is the voice of the English team? I’ve not heard one comment about being in the final from the players or Gareth, apart from the odd social media joke here and there from Lingard. All the noises were one game at a time, and clearly behind the scenes everything was being run in an ultra professional way because of how well the team did.
I'm on the fence with Keane vs Wright. I get where both are coming from. A lot of England fans did get ahead of themselves, pundits too, talking about the route to the final and who they'd rather play, mapping all the possibilities. It was a little premature, mostly from those supposedly giving a neutral perspective.
From the perspective of a fan though, it was not entirely a bad thing, as I'm sure the players were acting much more professionally. Wright sinking to the low of impersonating Keane's voice is pretty awkward to watch, but I do understand that simply enjoying the over-achievement has been the most fun part of the World Cup. The whole "it's coming home" stuff, the blind optimism, launching the most unpopular England manager appointment possibly in my lifetime into some sort of god-like status, it's all been a right laugh.
A lot of people, myself included, have felt great apathy towards the England NT for a long time, but the last 12 months or so has pulled me and many others back in. It's been great fun, and there's no problem with enjoying it. When you're the underdog, and England definitely were this time around, it's all part of the fun of thinking that we're just going to beat everyone and win the whole thing. It wouldn't have been half as fun if we'd have been cynical the whole tournament, like we normally are and have been for just about every tournament I can remember. Before this, Euro 96 was the last time a tournament was fun for England. We might as well enjoy it because it won't happen at Euro 2020. There'll be an expectation to improve on this, and the pressure that was absent at this World Cup will return.
From the perspective of a fan though, it was not entirely a bad thing, as I'm sure the players were acting much more professionally. Wright sinking to the low of impersonating Keane's voice is pretty awkward to watch, but I do understand that simply enjoying the over-achievement has been the most fun part of the World Cup. The whole "it's coming home" stuff, the blind optimism, launching the most unpopular England manager appointment possibly in my lifetime into some sort of god-like status, it's all been a right laugh.
A lot of people, myself included, have felt great apathy towards the England NT for a long time, but the last 12 months or so has pulled me and many others back in. It's been great fun, and there's no problem with enjoying it. When you're the underdog, and England definitely were this time around, it's all part of the fun of thinking that we're just going to beat everyone and win the whole thing. It wouldn't have been half as fun if we'd have been cynical the whole tournament, like we normally are and have been for just about every tournament I can remember. Before this, Euro 96 was the last time a tournament was fun for England. We might as well enjoy it because it won't happen at Euro 2020. There'll be an expectation to improve on this, and the pressure that was absent at this World Cup will return.
I might need to see the footage again, apologies if im wrong but wasnt his complaint of not taking it a game at a time more about his colleagues, media and more prominent england fans whereas his criticism of the team was not enough quality? I thought thats why it kicked off a bit at that point, that he was directing that to his co panelists? Like i said maybe i need to see again
Its the Soccer Saturday effect, where punditry abilities are second place to banter.