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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Eddie Jones says he's busy pulling knives out of his back
https://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/2018/0618/971483-eddie-jones-knives/
https://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/2018/0618/971483-eddie-jones-knives/
And in Irish news...
https://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/2018...-for-world-class-schmidt-to-remain-in-charge/
https://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/2018...-for-world-class-schmidt-to-remain-in-charge/
How has Danny Cipriani looked on this tour after getting called up after ages? Think it was a decade or so since he last played for the national side. The Guardian has carried about 10 articles on him in the past month. They average about one every three days.
Champions Cup pools have been drawn.
Ringrose, Conway and Leavy out for Ireland - that's a pity. Ross Byrne comes in on the bench, interesting risk taking there.
Ireland: Rob Kearney, Keith Earls, Robbie Henshaw, Bundee Aki, Jacob Stockdale, Johnny Sexton, Conor Murray; Jack McGrath, Sean Cronin, Tadhg Furlong, Devin Toner, James Ryan, CJ Stander, Peter O Mahony (capt), Jack Conan.
Replacements: Niall Scannell, Cian Healy, John Ryan, Tadhg Beirne, Jordi Murphy, Kieran Marmion, Ross Byrne, Jordan Larmour.
Ireland: Rob Kearney, Keith Earls, Robbie Henshaw, Bundee Aki, Jacob Stockdale, Johnny Sexton, Conor Murray; Jack McGrath, Sean Cronin, Tadhg Furlong, Devin Toner, James Ryan, CJ Stander, Peter O Mahony (capt), Jack Conan.
Replacements: Niall Scannell, Cian Healy, John Ryan, Tadhg Beirne, Jordi Murphy, Kieran Marmion, Ross Byrne, Jordan Larmour.
The three boys will be a big loss for us although together they probably add up to equal the effect losing Genia will have for Australia.
Happy to see Cronin get his start and would love to see Byrne get a decent 20 minutes off the bench. Bit concerned about how much rugby Stander and OMahony have played - they must be running on fumes at this stage!
It's a shame Ruddock wasn't available to share some of the load but he'll presumably see decent game time in November. Conan could do with a good showing on Saturday - he needs to start bringing some of his Leinster form into a green shirt.
What's Lukhan Tui like lads? Don't think I've ever seen him play.
Happy to see Cronin get his start and would love to see Byrne get a decent 20 minutes off the bench. Bit concerned about how much rugby Stander and OMahony have played - they must be running on fumes at this stage!
It's a shame Ruddock wasn't available to share some of the load but he'll presumably see decent game time in November. Conan could do with a good showing on Saturday - he needs to start bringing some of his Leinster form into a green shirt.
What's Lukhan Tui like lads? Don't think I've ever seen him play.
I'm personally much less confident now. Ringrose had a great game last weekend. He also nailed a few shoot tackles that Henshaw made a balls of in the first test. Leavy's also had a fantastic season. Conway will be absolutely gutted that his chance is over due to a knee drop - I hope they're looking at making that a yellow card offence.
I got that Aussie team lineup from Facebook and quite a lot of negative comments were there about Phipps. Maybe it does even out as @diarm says.
I got that Aussie team lineup from Facebook and quite a lot of negative comments were there about Phipps. Maybe it does even out as @diarm says.
Yeah Ringrose just makes us look so much better in both attack and defence. I like both Aki and Henshaw but neither are 13s for me. Farrell is most definitely second choice outside centre but unfortunately he's out too.
We'll be competitive either way and it's good practise for the squad to adapt to different lineups. We couldn't handle exactly that when we lost a few players at the last world cup so this is all great experience at such a high level.
Yup, that's the silver lining. All 32 players brought will have been involved in the three tests.
Ireland need to start working on 15 now though - it's a big potential weakness for the future with a lack of experienced replacements for Kearney.
I imagine Larmour is the long term plan with Conway there as an option as well. Joe doesn't seem to rate O'Halloran and Zebo is gone so I don't know who else is breaking through. There's a young lad at Munster called Fitzpatrick and IQ Haley coming from Sale but neither of them have shown enough to suggest they'll be good enough yet.
I wonder might we see Henshaw there at some stage? With 4 quality options at centre, Joe might be tempted to try him at the back - he has played there before with some success for Connacht.
Is this Cheika's third solid Good Auld Moan in a week?
https://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/2018/0621/972114-rolling-in-the-way-cheika-identifies-irish-tactic/
https://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/2018/0621/972114-rolling-in-the-way-cheika-identifies-irish-tactic/
"... but we're not highlighting it to the referee or anything. Just saying like." *holds up hands and shrugs.
I think, sad to say, that O'Halloran's chance looks gone - he never even got one really. I think it's become the most pressing area because Marmion has shown he can do a job at international level and Carbery has done OK at 10 with Byrne to hopefully get a go this weekend.
There hasn't been any experimentation at 15 really since the England match with Payne. There's another big loss. Kearney has been superb, but he's getting on too. The player potential looks to be there, but they'll need opportunities.
Rightly so. Genia is probably a 9/10 scrumhalf. I'd rate Phipps a 7.5/10. Phipps is a good super rugby player but i don't think of him a great test match scrumhalf. Did any of the negative comments refer to Phipps pissing on bar at his bucks party? I hope Phipps puts in a man of the match performance on Saturday though.
The Springboks have named their team to play England in what could be the last test played at Newlands in Cape Town. Rassie Erasmus has made some changes: Gelant replaces Le Roux at fullback, Esterhuizen and Kriel replace Lukanyo Am and Damien De Allende at 12&13. Elton Janjties replaces Handre Pollard at flyhalf while Chiliboy Ralepelle replaces Bongi Mbanambi at hooker. No place for Mbanambi on the bench, his spot is taken by 37 year old Schalk Brits.
15. Warrick Gelant
14. S'Busiso Nkosi
13. Jesse Kriel
12. Andre Esterhuizen
11. Aphiwe Dyantyi
10. Elton Jantjies
9. Faf de Klerk
8. Duane Vermeulen
7. Pieter-Steph du Toit
6. Siya Kolisi - captain
5. Franco Mostert
4. RG Snyman
3. Frans Malherbe
2. Chiliboy Ralepelle
1. Tendai Mtawarira
Replacements:
16. Schalk Brits
17. Steven Kitshoff
18. Thomas du Toit
19. Jean-Luc du Preez
20. Sikhumbuzo Notshe
21. Embrose Papier
22. Handré Pollard
23. Willie le Roux
15. Warrick Gelant
14. S'Busiso Nkosi
13. Jesse Kriel
12. Andre Esterhuizen
11. Aphiwe Dyantyi
10. Elton Jantjies
9. Faf de Klerk
8. Duane Vermeulen
7. Pieter-Steph du Toit
6. Siya Kolisi - captain
5. Franco Mostert
4. RG Snyman
3. Frans Malherbe
2. Chiliboy Ralepelle
1. Tendai Mtawarira
Replacements:
16. Schalk Brits
17. Steven Kitshoff
18. Thomas du Toit
19. Jean-Luc du Preez
20. Sikhumbuzo Notshe
21. Embrose Papier
22. Handré Pollard
23. Willie le Roux
Wasn't even aware of that until I read your post now.
Bloody hell, powderpuff Hanigan was picked.
Ha! No, I didn't see any of that. Just general slagging of him, his kicking and Waratahs.
Yep, a load of comments about him too. What's the story?
Hanigan's problem is he's not quite physically ready for test rugby. yet he is picked for the Wallabies. It must be said that It's not Hanigan's fault Cheika picks him. The fact he plays for the Waratahs is brought up by those who don't agree with his selection like it does with Phipps and to a lesser extent Michael Hooper. Michael Cheika has been accused by some fans of showing favouritism to Waratahs players even though haven't been the best super rugby team in AUS for a while now.
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South Africa v England: Danny Cipriani makes first start for England since 2008
https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/44562819
https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/44562819
Sooooo, how are France going to get screwed over today then?
Cronin is out for Ireland.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/2018/0623/972624-late-change-for-ireland-as-cronin-ruled-out/
Niall Scannell in and Rob Herring on to the bench.
Ireland: Rob Kearney, Keith Earls, Robbie Henshaw, Bundee Aki, Jacob Stockdale, Johnny Sexton, Conor Murray; Jack McGrath, Niall Scannell, Tadhg Furlong, Devin Toner, James Ryan, CJ Stander, Peter O Mahony (capt), Jack Conan.
Replacements: Rob Herring, Cian Healy, John Ryan, Tadhg Beirne, Jordi Murphy, Kieran Marmion, Ross Byrne, Jordan Larmour.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/2018/0623/972624-late-change-for-ireland-as-cronin-ruled-out/
Niall Scannell in and Rob Herring on to the bench.
Ireland: Rob Kearney, Keith Earls, Robbie Henshaw, Bundee Aki, Jacob Stockdale, Johnny Sexton, Conor Murray; Jack McGrath, Niall Scannell, Tadhg Furlong, Devin Toner, James Ryan, CJ Stander, Peter O Mahony (capt), Jack Conan.
Replacements: Rob Herring, Cian Healy, John Ryan, Tadhg Beirne, Jordi Murphy, Kieran Marmion, Ross Byrne, Jordan Larmour.
By being thoroughly, thoroughly outplayed it seems!
France started pretty well, but it went downhill as could be expected. Oh well.
Very impressed with Scott Barrett and Damien McKenzie. The game the French chose to play couldn't have played into the young outhalfs hands anymore, but he's taken his chance and really run with it.
New Zealand's 3rd try probably shouldn't have stood. Unfortunately for the French, they appeared to wilt again after being on the receiving end of a tough call.
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Haha. Michael Hooper has just been asked what Nick Phipps will bring to proceedings? Hooper's response: ''Lots of fitness, he's been waiting in the wings''. I hope your blokes are quaking in their boots.
They've said something similar on Sky here, "Phipps is really quick".
The voice of rugby in Australia, Gordon Bray, turns 69 today. Hope the Wallabies give a present in the form of a win.
It's been an awful series for refs.How could he say he was happy with that? The pass looks forward as well.
Schmidt essentially blamed the defeat in Murrayfield last year on being 15 minutes late, so at least we've already now got an excuse today (I thought we would lose anyway once I saw the starting 15).
I actually have an ounce of sympathy for the All Blacks. The accusations that they get favourable treatment by officials will continue for another week when they're not at fault unless there's something sinister at play.
Great play O'Mahony to win a penalty after the awkward landing from the kick off.
Hooper gone. Huge loss.