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Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion
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Yeah, Canada says hello Vlad.
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You obviously haven't heard of their General Rangnikov
dunno if somone else answered, but yes it was bullshit, someone on fb was spreading it but admitted having no source...
I don't know why people think any sanctions would be spared against Russia. Clearly maximum sanctions will be implemented against Russia, the real question is how much it will actually hurt them. Russia has been learning from the sanctions in 2014 and preparing for further sanctions ever since, and they have taken many measures to diminish their effect, a few examples mentioned in the article below. Additionally, Russia sold almost all of their stockpile in the US treasury bonds in the last few years (which was around $150 billion in 2013) to avoid having them frozen or taken by the US at any point (like they did with Afghanistan). And on top of all that, alienating China in the last couple of years will definitely weaken these sanctions considerably.
Russia's plan to fight back against Western sanctions
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-60480904
I think Ukraine has something like 200,000 active personal and close to half a million in the reserv with a lot of them having battle experice from the last 8 years of occupation.
Russia might have far better equipment but I don't think the Ukraine armed forces will be defeated in just a few days
That’s fecking crazy…..
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Umm....
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"on social media" Sounds like something the fsb would be spreading.
Yeah. My prediction is slowly starting to age like milk...
No, I don't know the meaning? Is this a saying?
The Russians have been placing malware in Ukrainian networks for months/years apparently. All of it was in preparation for this day.
I think we can safely put to bed that this is about Ukraine joining NATO. Putin literally doesn't think Ukraine is a country and has always belonged to Russia.
I think we can safely put to bed that this is about Ukraine joining NATO. Putin literally doesn't think Ukraine is a country and has always belonged to Russia.
Didi mao?
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Has any other country done this?
just been chatting to a Ukranian friend online (he's in UK), his mum is in lviv and ready to flee to Poland if needed
this all feels a bit surreal
this all feels a bit surreal
Let’s see if west are prepared to just watch Putin slaughter potentially a million of people in Europe (if Ukraine to show strong resistance) because the cost of heating may go up a bit. This might define our civilization in the 21st century.
Will try to be short. Selling their US treasury bonds had a huge negative impact. They tried to keep the money in rubles which has been losing value really fast. Their military industry has suffered a lot under sanctions. Their economy is in much weaker state now compared to in the year 2014. Hit them hard with sanctions and they will crumble. China will not donate money to them. If anything PRC will try get further advantage by getting resources for lesser prices from Russia.I don't know why people think any sanctions would be spared against Russia. Clearly maximum sanctions will be implemented against Russia, the real question is how much it will actually hurt them. Russia has been learning from the sanctions in 2014 and preparing for further sanctions ever since, and they have taken many measures to diminish their effect, a few examples mentioned in the article below. Additionally, Russia sold almost all of their stockpile in the US treasury bonds in the last few years (which was around $150 billion in 2013) to avoid having them frozen or taken by the US at any point (like they did with Afghanistan). And on top of all that, alienating China in the last couple of years will definitely weaken these sanctions considerably.
Russia's plan to fight back against Western sanctions
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-60480904
@VorZakone @harms what is the position of the Tatars when talking of this conflict?
UK and USA did it on the 11th, Germany did it on the 19th.
By now most foreign offices would have done the same.
If they fight out in the open they won't, which they won't. The majority of the fighting will be in built up areas, where they may be able to hold out a while using all the tactics of urban warfare.
Problem with that is the utter devastation it means for cities and civilians. The Russian land army is weighted considearbly toward mass artillary bombardment, with not much concern for accuracy.
To avoid Russian casualties they may just surround the main cities, cutting off all electricity, communication, supplies and starve them out.
Pretty much every country other than France.
“Part of the reason that Ukraine has never had stable statehood is because of Russia,” says David Patrikarakos, an author of two books about foreign affairs and non-resident fellow at the University of St. Andrews in Scotland. He says that Putin deliberately ignored the long history of Ukrainian nationalism, including the country’s war of independence against the Soviets that began in 1917, and its resistance to Soviet rule after World War II. “There has been a strong impulse of Ukrainian nationalism for at least the last century, and [of] the Russians just slapping them down militarily,” Patrikarakos says. “And that’s continuing today.”
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I don't know. I'm not that well versed in domestic Ukrainian demographic perspectives. Though Zelensky apparently has beef with a Tatar-Ukrainian oligarch.
”What he’s saying is something far wider: Ukraine is not a legitimate state. Ukraine is Russia. It should never have existed as anything else,” Patrikarakos says. It could also be an ominous bellwether for future military action, he suggests. “If you do not accept the idea of Ukraine, then you clearly by implication do not accept the idea of Georgia, the Baltic States, Moldova and everything else.”
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I remember Tatars in Crimea opposing the Russian takeover so I assume they are still of the same mind, especially since the FSB has been locking them up.
https://www.rferl.org/a/crimean-tatars-russia-detentions/31444725.html
I don't know why I thought other countries had only done it with diplomats or embassy staff or something.
So nevermind!
I've asked you this before (I think it was you?)
What else can we possibly do but sanction the feck out of Russia and provide arms to Ukraine?
The reason for not getting involved militarily is not to do with the cost of heating, it's to prevent a thermonuclear armageddon.
Cheers bro
Problem is it seems we won't sanction the feck out of Russia.
Macron was probably still deluding himself that he could save the day so didn’t want to issue the advice when everyone else did. He did try at least, in fairness to him.
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Well west hasn’t really provided any arms to Ukraine that are worth any salt. If it was serious about defending Ukraine we would have seen the arm supplies with aerial capabilities which they badly lack. Germany sent them some helmets ffs…If you consider this as a real support then I don’t know what to say. We’re not giving them even a chance here with our inaction…
The "support" by the Germans up to the pipeline freeze was nothing short of pathetic.
Russia replaced the dollar mainly with Gold and Chinese Renminbis, not with Russian Rubles.
Their economy is now more resistant to sanctions than it was in 2014, and the slowed growth was actually in part done for that exact reason (the article I posted above explains how).
China won't need to donate any money to Russia, just sell them what they need and buy their gas, oil and agricultural products (even at a discount) will be enough for Russia to survive, especially considering the oil/gas prices will be higher anyway because of the sanctions.
Of course the sanctions will hurt, and there is still no way to predict for sure what effect they will have, but talking about Russia crumbling with certainty in the face of sanctions is not quite clear to me at the moment at least.
This is true. Germany sending them helmets and colouring the gates in Berlin in blue and yellow will not help Ukraine at all. The Ukraine has been sold and it is shame that it happened under their new democratic regime.