It is not so difficult to join Wagner tbh
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Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
Exactly. Everyone knows Blackwater are American. Nobody is under any illusions about Wagner either.
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What's an anti-radiation missile?
Radiation as in radio - used to seek jammers and those big dishes I think. Not some anti nuke!
Ah, thank you.
If it's any help: there are actually non-state Russian units active in Ukraine. Big companies (like Gazprom) have set up their own armies consisting of employees, and then there are some militias as well. That's been growing, from what I read, and I would make sense if the Russian MoD would try to align and better coordinate their activities by putting them under central comment. Obviously, Wagner would have been the central target of that effort - but not the only one.
Theory #12. The drive to Moscow was a signal to Putin. Not primarily from Wagner, but from the RA. He, not Prigoshin, is on a short leash. Wagner drove Xkm towards the capital with impunity. Putin cowered. The intervention by Lukashenko was the idea of somebody else, thus the sense of him playing a role, and the phoney transparency. Putin does not control most of the armed forces any more. The Putin-loyal elements in the MOD are being isolated and pressured. For now, Putin can remain in place. But much diminished. For now, this arrangement suits his enemies better than a full-blown coup, confrontation, etc
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Am I the only one who find it funny how quickly Putin escaped the capital, as soon as there was some trouble. Some hero eh, at the first sight of domestic trouble he runs like a rabbit.
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There were times, when it was hard, or better said harder to prove Russia/Putin is lying. It seems that he doesn't care at all about hiding his lies anymore.
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This is the man who amassed an army on the border and directly denied he was going to invade Ukraine. Nothing, I repeat, nothing he says should have any bearing on what people think is true or not. He can say whatever he wants, it is all just words now, an old bumbling man arguing with other old men whilst the young men of the country he professes to serve are slaughtered in the hundreds of thousands.
The quotes don’t make any sense given that Surovkin has already been removed from his role leading the Ukrainian campaign. The information could actually be legit and he did know about it given that there was a spike in communication between Wagner and MOD the night before the rebellion.
I'm not sure that's necessarily right. Why would anyone want to back what will ultimately be the losing side? If Putin's downfall has begun, siding with him puts you in a perilous position when whomever comes out on top looks to "clean house" of anyone he fears may not be on his side.
Self-interest for all involved will dictate who they back and what they do. The Chinese have walked a very careful line. They have not backed Putin in any meaningful sense. PR photos and rhetoric have not equalled military or political backing and have no positive impact on the front lines. China will do what is best for China and they'll happily cosy up to Putin's successor when the time comes if that's in their interests.,
Remvoing him even further would still be nice.
And yes it is well possible that he knew about it. Both Surovikin and Prigozhin were more or less sidelined by the MoD, so maybe they talked to each other about their frustration and possible actions?
Take it with a grain of salt, because it wouldn't be the first time twitter accounts prematurely announced arrests/dismissals of Russian generals:
But I wouldn't be surprised if Putin launched a cleansing. There have to be people in high positions backing Prigozhin, if he could have driven 700 km inside Russia without meaningful resistance. To be honest, Surovikin looked already like a prisoner, when he sat in front of that table and urged Wagner to stop their colum.
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But I wouldn't be surprised if Putin launched a cleansing. There have to be people in high positions backing Prigozhin, if he could have driven 700 km inside Russia without meaningful resistance. To be honest, Surovikin looked already like a prisoner, when he sat in front of that table and urged Wagner to stop their colum.
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Lefortovo prison is no joke. Quite the history to it.
True. Also, Wagner is inherently an MOD funded operation so it stands to reason Prigozhin communicates with Generals he deems he can work with. Even more so if he sought tacit agreements from people at MOD if he came to Moscow.
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Bit of CIA jiggerypokery
Surovikin and Prigozhin/Wagner out of picture would be huge. They were scarily effective with their ruthless barbaric tactics. Their combo is probably one of the possible scenarios, where someone other than Putin could be worse.
They were the opposite of effective.
Yep. No Wagner in Ukraine would be massive, as would Surovkin's removal from air operations. Prigozhin's plan seems to have weakened Putin and made him look like a paper tiger, which other than death by execution following a coup, is the absolute worst outcome for him, since all aspiring coup plotters no know how weak he really is.
In addition to all the above -I have a hard time believing Putin welcomes Lukashenko's chatty behavior lately. Making himself look like some kind of savior of Russia, especially by implying Putin wasn't being rational about his intended response to the Wagner plans and that he talked him out of it. Of course, like anything else with these guys it could all be hot air or they have some weird good cop/bad cop cosplay going on.
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Lukashenko is rubbing salt in Putin's wound isn't he. For a guy Vlad considers a subordinate, he's doing a lot of bold talking lately.Kind of like Russia's ever growing reliance on China
This guy needs a peace march
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Is it just me or does this come across as a bit of an odd statement? Ukraine, sorry lads but if you can't beat Russia we don't want ya
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Can't take them into NATO if they have territorial disputes with Russia. It would probably just as problematic if they were to "win too much", by trying to take some border regions from the Russians.
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