Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

"Right lads, I need a convoy of military vehicles driving past. We've only got six so space 'em out. "
"Billy, rig that car to stop at the exact moment I say."
"Trev. I want those dead bodies in that car and propped up for the close ups ASAP! No we need 'em in now so the tank fire can maim them."
"Tank Driver! Time your drive by so that you notice the car and shoot it through the trees just as it stops. You need to time it perfectly. If you can, also blow up the stop sign for added effect. Think you can handle that? Good lad."
"Now, I'll remind everyone we've only got a couple of cars and one stop sign so no arsing around. That convoy also needs to be elsewhere by 2pm. We need to get this in as few takes as possible."
"Positions everyone!"

This is obviously the more believable option. Occam's razor and all that.
 
It looks suspicious because the video has a full view of everything, but that's probably just coincidence. If you look at google street view of where that happened, it's just monitoring the gate to a private house. I imagine more and more recordings like this will surface once people check their private security cameras. This supposedly happened on the 28th of February, and is only now on twitter. Earlier that day a Ukrainian official said they had destroyed a Russian convoy near Makariv, where this took place, but more Russian troops were still in the area. Of course that doesn't prove anything but I think it gives some context.
Yeah, that's fair enough, and the fact it's from the 28th and only just surfaced probably lends an element of authenticity to it.

Appreciate the extra info.
 
Given how many completely unprecedented and unexpected things we have seen in recent weeks, I wouldn't at all be surprised to see the US, UK and the EU/EEA/NATO countries all phase Russian oil and gas out very, very quickly, despite the pain it will cause and the question of whether governments will have to further subsidise the energy bills of their citizens. The foreseeable period isn't going to be a pleasant time for anyone.

I really wish we'd take green energy more seriously. Need to get away from oil and gas and the idea of a car in every household. It won't happen though - we'll be fracking instead.
 
How big a blow is this to Russia?
Nada. At 130+ dollars a barrel countries like India, Pakistan, Brazil and China are fecked. They’ll buy if no one else is touching Russian stuff

All this bluster can also mean something if OPEC increases output to cover the shortfall easing off energy prices and giving an option to energy deficit countries to do the right thing without wrecking their economy.

awaiting US pressure on Saudi.
 
I'm questioning the fact that he stops in view of the camera. When he could have stopped anywhere/turned around/reversed. It's clear that this is some sort of entrance to a gated warehouse, there's one other pole there and nothing else in view of the camera.

Anyhow, I'm not going to debate this as it's clear someone lost their lives during this incident, whatever it may have been.

I was just trying to question the fact that this could be staged quite easily.

I'm glad your've decided not to debate it cos... god damn, I wouldn't know where to begin.
 
Of course, but I was saying how he (Putin) does present it to the Russian people. Lets be honest if the Russian people wanted freedom and democracy they would have chosen it, like Ukraine has. Although there are probably lots of people in Russia who would welcome democracy, there must still be a significant number of the Russian population that does not want democracy, otherwise Putin would not be in power, they have been told to fear the West (in some cases with a certain amount of justification) and Putin plays to that fear.
This post is fecking ridiculous.
 
I'm glad your've decided not to debate it cos... god damn, I wouldn't know where to begin.
Is it wrong to question what one sees on social media?

Especially during a war of such fierce propaganda?
 
Zalensky just quoted Churchill’s “we shall fight on the beaches” speech to the House of Commons.

Fun fact about those famous Churchill quotes is the audio we all have heard were recorded after the war for historical legacy. He did say those things in parliament and was quoted as such but no one who wasn't present in the audience heard of him say it as the war was happening. Despite a generation of kids growing up and telling stories about where they were when Mr. Churchill spoke to the nation.
 
Are there confirmed reports that Ukraine are no longer insisting on NATO membership?
 
Not dismissing the terrible nature of whatever happened here.

But it all seems so staged. The car stopped perfectly next to what appears to be a static CCTV pole, the only camera in the area.
To be fair, the car is being strafed with machine gun fire as it rolls into frame.
 
Is it wrong to question what one sees on social media?

Especially during a war of such fierce propaganda?

Of course not, the propaganda has already broken you though if you even think Ukraine would go anywhere near this sort of effort to stage something.
 
I missed The speech at parliament

Was it in the grand scheme of things…..rather pointless??
 
Are there confirmed reports that Ukraine are no longer insisting on NATO membership?
"Regarding NATO, I lost interest in this issue after we realized that NATO is not ready to accept Ukraine. The alliance is afraid of contradictory things and confrontation with the Russian Federation"

I wouldn't read too much into that though. It's probably more criticism towards NATO than genuinely losing interest in joining.
 
This post is fecking ridiculous.

I’d estimate a majority of the population in Russia don’t care about democracy and believe their country needs a strong leader. Although they have been subjected to 20 years of propaganda associating democracy with the economic collapse and humiliation of the 90s and, more recently, anything they don’t like about the West such as LGBTQ rights.
 
I’d estimate a majority of the population in Russia don’t care about democracy and believe their country needs a strong leader. Although they have been subjected to 20 years of propaganda associating democracy with the economic collapse and humiliation of the 90s and, more recently, anything they don’t like about the West such as LGBTQ rights.

I recently watched a full 45 minute propaganda doc made by Nikita Mikhalkov justifying the Russian invasion. Just to get a sense of what arguments were being used. In the dying moments he gave a couple of examples of the terrors of western civilisation and how Russia would never succumb to it. One of the (I think two) examples used was gay marriage.
 
I thought this thread was kinda weak. Have his own economy being wrecked for legacy building?

 
I’d estimate a majority of the population in Russia don’t care about democracy and believe their country needs a strong leader. Although they have been subjected to 20 years of propaganda associating democracy with the economic collapse and humiliation of the 90s and, more recently, anything they don’t like about the West such as LGBTQ rights.
That's not the point @Maticmaker made. The statement was:
"Of course, but I was saying how he (Putin) does present it to the Russian people. Lets be honest if the Russian people wanted freedom and democracy they would have chosen it, like Ukraine has."
which somehow suggests that the people of a country have the Governments and establishment that they desire and deserve.
That's not only utterly naïve, as it misses the point you have quite rightly just made and the extent to which populations can be manipulated and controlled, but also bizarrely suggests that something innate in the make up of the Russian people, whatever that is defined as, somehow intrinsically wish to live under aggressive state control and expansionism.
 
I couldn't see this posted earlier. This is doing the rounds at the moment and really got to me seeing people inside a bomb shelter and the innocence of the little girl singing.

 
Damn, Greenwald keeps raging about corporate shills and propaganda and then links a 2 minute clip by Bryce Mitchell hoping to die for Arkansas and ranting about Hunter Biden. Hope @berbatrick isn't still on Glenn's corner.
 

What I meant was is it a speech that will result in just a bunch of Moron politicians standing and clapping

Or will he likely gain anything from this speech?

Touching our hearts is one thing, didn’t need a speech for that when you consider what we’ve seen happening in Ukrainian

What I’m getting at is what will an address like this get from the UK government? Anything ? Or just an applause?
 
Of course, but I was saying how he (Putin) does present it to the Russian people. Lets be honest if the Russian people wanted freedom and democracy they would have chosen it, like Ukraine has. Although there are probably lots of people in Russia who would welcome democracy, there must still be a significant number of the Russian population that does not want democracy, otherwise Putin would not be in power, they have been told to fear the West (in some cases with a certain amount of justification) and Putin plays to that fear.
If people wanted democracy they would've chosen it. If I wanted to highlight the issue of people from democratic societies not understanding the ways that non-democratic societies work, I couldn't have wished for a better worded example.