It’s a question of choosing hills to die on. This is a very worthy hill for lots of Ukrainians for a lot of reasons, surrender if anything makes everyone who sacrificed so far pointless.This story is just sad https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60734706
2500 killed in Mariupol so far officially, probably more due to starvation. My opinion means nothing and isn't popular, but I can see that sort of destruction occuring in other towns throughout Ukraine that resist. At some point you have to ask is it worth all the death.. life under Putin is shit but it's still a life.
This is definitely what should and I think will happen at the end of the day. Russia has inflicted the damage for the amount close to that by his point anyway.I'm thinking we should liquidate the £340 billion of the Russian Central Banks reserves to pay Ukraine for all the damages this war has cost, as well as refund all the companies who have had their assets stolen by Russia.
These guys just do what they want.
I don't know your background but being from a country which was under rule of another for a lot of its history, you realise freedom is definitely worth fighting for (although not when I was alive).This story is just sad https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60734706
2500 killed in Mariupol so far officially, probably more due to starvation. My opinion means nothing and isn't popular, but I can see that sort of destruction occuring in other towns throughout Ukraine that resist. At some point you have to ask is it worth all the death.. life under Putin is shit but it's still a life.
Are you a ghost?I don't know your background but being from a country which was under rule of another for a lot of its history, you realise freedom is definitely worth fighting for (although not when I was alive).
Is this a wum? I'm talking about the history of the place where I was born.Are you a ghost?
It was a joke because you said 'when I was alive'Is this a wum? I'm talking about the history of the place where I was born.
no, it is just a quirk of the English language that the way you worded it can be construed as you are no longer alive.Is this a wum? I'm talking about the history of the place where I was born.
Where were you born? Just wonderingIs this a wum? I'm talking about the history of the place where I was born.
Can’t help but think that the US and allies view Ukraine as already lost now from a military and humanitarian perspective and this is more of a warning to the Ukrainians than anyone else.Tweet
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I just read the link. Thanks, informative piece, yes, forensic investigation and evidence are important.There’s a reason they’re allowing a “journalist” from America to freely roam around the Donetsk region.
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/202...unk-staged-pre-war-provocation-in-the-donbas/
Cant see any indication that they view Ukraine even remotely as "lost".Can’t help but think that the US and allies view Ukraine as already lost now from a military and humanitarian perspective and this is more of a warning to the Ukrainians than anyone else.
The warnings to Russia from NATO are basically don’t dare touch NATO territory and understand that as long as you hold your position in Ukraine, you will be under crippling sanctions.
The first guy hasn't even been trained how to shoulder a rifle FFS
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Surely an agreement wouldn't be a life under Putin (would be the recognition of Crimea and some form of ceasefire/recognition of that part of the east already occupied by separatists/Putin). The deal Bennett allegedly told Zelensky to accept was just that, with an added no NATO clause. All of these things were realities before the invasion, so Western Ukraine (the greater part of the country, in fact) will not be under Putin in that peace-deal scenario.This story is just sad https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60734706
2500 killed in Mariupol so far officially, probably more due to starvation. My opinion means nothing and isn't popular, but I can see that sort of destruction occuring in other towns throughout Ukraine that resist. At some point you have to ask is it worth all the death.. life under Putin is shit but it's still a life.
IL is the two letter code for Israel, isn't it?Abramovich over the past 2 or 3 days has flown from Moscow to Tel Aviv and now headed to Illinois, USA
It would be interesting to see if any news agencies could figure out if he's running around bribing politicians in Israel and the US
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you might be rightIL is the two letter code for Israel, isn't it?
That’s awfulA sad story from Italy today - a coach has overturned, it was full of refugees who'd come overland into Italy. They were very close to their destination here, Pescara on the Adriatric coast. A young mum has died, her two little kids are now alone in a strange country.
They were safe, and then everything goes very wrong in an instant.
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These negotiations sound like the latest Putin sham to pretend he's interested in negotiating.Tweet
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A sad story from Italy today - a coach has overturned, it was full of refugees who'd come overland into Italy. They were very close to their destination here, Pescara on the Adriatric coast. A young mum has died, her two little kids are now alone in a strange country.
They were safe, and then everything goes very wrong in an instant.
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Musk is full of surprises.... I for one didn't think anybody could get me rooting for putinSorry if been posted but don't worry everyone Elon's got Ukraine's back. He's challenging Putin to single combat with the prize being Ukraine.
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Is there any way they can both lose and the prize is we don't ever have to hear from either again?Sorry if been posted but don't worry everyone Elon's got Ukraine's back. He's challenging Putin to single combat with the prize being Ukraine.
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From a NATO perspective it’s a dream scenario really as long as Putin doesn’t escalate to attack a member state. They are crippling Russia beyond anything they probably thought possible to do without causing WW3 and Putin himself has enabled them to do it. Whilst the Ukraine war is horrible for those connected and for us ‘normal’ people looking on, I’m certain it’s been seen as an opportune window to essentially give NATO carte blanche re sanctions and Ukraine is a necessary sacrifice for that by the higher ups.Can’t help but think that the US and allies view Ukraine as already lost now from a military and humanitarian perspective and this is more of a warning to the Ukrainians than anyone else.
The warnings to Russia from NATO are basically don’t dare touch NATO territory and understand that as long as you hold your position in Ukraine, you will be under crippling sanctions.
Yeah that’s the between the lines of my post succinctly put.From a NATO perspective it’s a dream scenario really as long as Putin doesn’t escalate to attack a member state. They are crippling Russia beyond anything they probably thought possible to do without causing WW3 and Putin himself has enabled them to do it. Whilst the Ukraine war is horrible for those connected and for us ‘normal’ people looking on, I’m certain it’s been seen as an opportune window to essentially give NATO carte blanche re sanctions and Ukraine is a necessary sacrifice for that by the higher ups.
If not stopped in Ukraine he will take Moldova next. He won't directly attack any NATO members but will use other methods to foment unrest in the former Soviet republics on the Baltic, similar to what he's done in Donbas, etc. Former Warsaw PAct countries may be next.I kinda like to see a poll here to gauge what everyone’s belief is regarding Putin’s real objectives: is he stopping with Ukraine? Are the Baltic nations next, followed by Poland and Slovakia? Will he continue creeping westward? I personally think that is Putin’s true goal: to retake everything formerly controlled by the Soviets.
So in other words, everything short of taking him out is merely appeasement. It pushes the decision into someone else while allowing Putin to grow stronger. As much as we don’t like it, war is inevitable, and by that I mean WWIII.
Except that only the civilians in one of those countries will forcibly lose everything and be displaced...