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Maybe they should call up India, they seem to have developed expertise in these types of strikes.
Maybe they should call up India, they seem to have developed expertise in these types of strikes.
No, the longer this carries on the more carnage this causes to the Ukraine and Russia, but nearly all other countries will not touch this with a 10 foot barge pole. The biggest impact will be felt by Russia.The longer this carries on the higher the risk it spirals out of control with other countries being invovled in war. I wonder what Russia will do if sweden and finland joins nato with all the threats Russia been making toward those 2.
I hope you are right.No, the longer this carries on the more carnage this causes to the Ukraine and Russia, but nearly all other countries will not touch this with a 10 foot barge pole. The biggest impact will be felt by Russia.
This is literally their fight, or more specifically, Putin’s fight and the West and China are waiting in the wings to pick up the spoils.
What are the arguments against joining NATO presented by the left of centre?If sweden joined nato now it would divide the country, not unite it. While there is decent fluctuating casual support for nato there are also large groups with very strong sentiments against nato especially left of center.
Is it not better to stay neutral?What are the arguments against joining NATO presented by the left of centre?
Sure, until you’re invaded.Is it not better to stay neutral?
Neutral in the face of a brutal dictator? And when the alternative is banding together with other democracies in an alliance that pretty much ensures that Russia will never dare to attack Sweden?Is it not better to stay neutral?
They are not a former Soviet State.Sure, until you’re invaded.
Beyond that, Sweden has participated in 4 NATO led military campaigns and has an agreement in place to let NATO use bases in the country for training and for combat if Sweden were attacked, so…
No one is saying Putin is a nice guy.Neutral in the face of a brutal dictator? And when the alternative is banding together with other democracies in an alliance that pretty much ensures that Russia will never dare to attack Sweden?
The answer to those questions is obvious to me.
First, they're not Russians. They are Ukrainians who happen to speak Russian as their first language.They are not a former Soviet State.
That is where I was going with this.
The history of Ukraine is well documented.
Rightly or wrongly Russia/Putin think they have a say with what happens in Ukraine. They have a sizeable Russian population that wants to be part of Russia. The Maidan conflict.
It would be wrong to lump Ukraine and Sweden together in this.
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You can also include Finland that is neutral in this.
Good. Then he'd have even less of a rationale to invade a Sweden protected by NATO forces that would destroy any Russian attack in a matter of hours.No one is saying Putin is a nice guy.
He does not have a rationale to invade Sweden. See my answer to CR.
Fair enough.First, they're not Russians. They are Ukrainians who happen to speak Russian as their first language.
Second, they've now seen first-hand what life under Russia means. I'd doubt if more than 5% of them want to be part of Russia - and many of those will have already moved to Crimea or the eastern "independent republics"
We must disagree here.Good. Then he'd have even less of a rationale to invade a Sweden protected by NATO forces that would destroy any Russian attack in a matter of hours.
The evidence for that is what? Rigged elections held under Putin's instruction?Fair enough.
But these people wanted a pro Russian government which was removed.
As I said Russia does not have a 'claim" to Sweden.
Don't bother"debating" with him.The evidence for that is what? Rigged elections held under Putin's instruction?
Those people who fought and died against the new government.The evidence for that is what? Rigged elections held under Putin's instruction?
Just wrongly, big guy. Just wrongly.They are not a former Soviet State.
That is where I was going with this.
The history of Ukraine is well documented.
Rightly or wrongly Russia/Putin think they have a say with what happens in Ukraine. They have a sizeable Russian population that wants to be part of Russia. The Maidan conflict.
It would be wrong to lump Ukraine and Sweden together in this.
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You can also include Finland that is neutral in this.
The former Soviet states issue was where the conflict between the US (NATO) and Russia started.Just wrongly, big guy. Just wrongly.
Dunno why you’re bringing up “they’re not a former Soviet state” bit. We’re talking about joining NATO or not, not if they’ve got history. Which… they do… it’s just from the Russia Empire era.
And about Finland, sure… if you ignore the whole getting invaded by the USSR twice thing.
It doesn’t matter if it wasn’t okay with Russia. They have no right to tell a sovereign state what alliances they can or can’t join.The former Soviet states issue was where the conflict between the US (NATO) and Russia started.
East Germany been reunified was ok with Russia. But the other states joining NATO was not ok with Russia.
But Ukraine was the Red Line for Russia.
So Sweden and Finland do not arise as issues.
The Ukrainian parliament had already voted overwhelmingly to approve finalising an agreement with the EU. Putin told his puppet - Yanukovych - to stop it and instead go for closer ties with Russia.Those people who fought and died against the new government.
14,000 . Why should that happen?
He doesn't get this. Instead he seems to imagine that the prior existence of the USSR - held together through brutality and oppression - gives Putin the right to use the same brutality and oppression on whatever nations he likes. Them days are over.It doesn’t matter if it wasn’t okay with Russia. They have no right to tell a sovereign state what alliances they can or can’t join.
The main ones I've been hearing:What are the arguments against joining NATO presented by the left of centre?
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I don't think he cares much about that. He's just showing everyone he can because he's so "powerful"I dont see the point. How will the spares for these aircraft be provided? The aircraft are as good as junk in 6 months time.
I don't think he cares much about that. He's just showing everyone he can because he's so "powerful"
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The government has confirmed this information, but denies any breach. "It was a residual flow, resulting from past contracts, mentioned in our annual reports to Parliament, and which gradually died out", says the Ministry of the Armed Forces to Le Monde, adding that the embargo on arms to Russia, decided by the European Union since August 1, 2014, after the annexation of Crimea by Moscow, authorized the delivery of arms linked to contracts signed before the embargo. “France is not the only European country” to have acted in this way, specifies the ministry.
It's a good question and I wonder what these "ethnic Russians" in Ukraine think of the invasion.I note that Ukraine overwhelmingly (92.3%) voted for independence at the end of 1991. According to Wikipedia 55% of “ethnic Russians” (a category open to interpretation?) voted for independence. Every oblast with the exception of Crimea did so comfortably - well over 80% - including Donetsk and Luhansk. Crimea stands out as just 54% voted in favor there.
So two questions:
Are the results of this referendum considered reliable? I.E. was there manipulation or rigging?
Is there any reliable data to suggest that such sentiment has significantly changed in the last thirty years, especially with regards to Donetsk, Luhansk and Crimea? In other words, how can we accurately assess the actual popularity of the separatist agendas in these regions today?
Welcoming liberation I'd imagine.It's a good question and I wonder what these "ethnic Russians" in Ukraine think of the invasion.
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