tbh, his stats haven't been good since....like ever. he's there for the crazy "magic" moment he does, which he still does, but it's certainly waning.
Ryan Giggs - 900
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We are second in the league, and this place is in meltdown. I shudder to think what this place will become once SAF leaves. We laugh at RAWK, but at this rate we will become them.
I don't think we would be that much like RAWK given there would be more criticism of the manager and players than is allowed on RAWK.
He was just as poor as the rest of the team no better no worse.
But it's a bit cringe worthy that we still have to rely on a 38 year old to be the deciding factor in our games.
He should be a backup player by now that offers his experience and advice to younger players yet he still has to be the one who starts in the big matches because either SAF doesn't trust the others to do the job or they aren't capable of doing the job or both.
But it's a bit cringe worthy that we still have to rely on a 38 year old to be the deciding factor in our games.
He should be a backup player by now that offers his experience and advice to younger players yet he still has to be the one who starts in the big matches because either SAF doesn't trust the others to do the job or they aren't capable of doing the job or both.
11 Assists this season. Our 4th highest. Not bad for a 38 year old.
Also I seem to remember him scoring the vital winner against Norwich.
Yeah well that's what I'm talking....stats like the ones I'm replying too have never been great for him. He's there to create the magic assist or show up with an important goal, which most of his goals post-35 are.
For what it's worth, I agree with this post mate. However, it still doesn't excuse, in my opinion, some of the things people have said about him. Hell, it seems as though he's an unpleasant man so rip him apart on that, just show a bit more respect for the footballing legend.
A long post which again doesn't really argue against what I said. For everything you've just said I still maintain that there's no excuse for some of the things that have been said in this thread. If you think that some of it has been merely critical then that's your perogative. I think you're wrong.
I'm not saying (and I can't see where I inferred, to be honest) that Giggsy is beyond criticism or even the calls for his head. I'm saying that telling one of our legends to eff off isn't particularly sharp. Regardless of what you say, there's some vitriol behind these statements that I'm pretty damn sure stem from the result last night.
Again, I'm not even offering my opinion on his performances this season, I'm just offering some perspective. Ryan Giggs shouldn't be spoken of in such a disgusting way by "United" fans. That's not 'Top Red' bull, that's reality.
Perhaps you need to be more specific about what you meant in the post then? You were as vague as I apparently was.
I'm pretty sure my post is clear that it has everything to do with the way people have been talking about him mate. 
people questioned Scholes legs etc last season, he then retired and came back 6 months later to be arguably our main reason for our title charge
its dangerous to wish for players to retire, they may actually do it
its dangerous to wish for players to retire, they may actually do it
Tbh I think Giggs still has his uses, and in some games provides a threat no one else can/does, but sometimes we completely mis-use him which is unfair on him and us. To put him on the left wing in a game that we know will be tiring and we need quick counters is asking for trouble. Tbf at times he did alright and his experienced showed when he showed calmness etc, but other times he was found wanting. Still a very good player but he has to be used correctly.
It's perfectly clear.I'm pretty sure my post is clear that it has everything to do with the way people have been talking about him mate.
Giggs has had a poor season, and it's fine to point that out. I wouldn't have played him last night either.
But to read posts like "feck off and retire" and "he could not give a shit" is ridiculous. You'd get a bollocking for aiming such nonsense about Rooney, even Gibson, and rightly so in my opinion. But a club legend like Giggs... feck sake.
There's even a mention in here about one moment last season when Hernandez had to block a cross instead of Giggs, how long has that been festering in your mind to bring that up? He certainly looked like he gave a shit at Upton Park last season when he was raiding up and down the left wing like a 20 year old at 2-0 down. There's a way to go about criticising players, and feck off Giggs is going to provoke people.
I hope that when they do pack it up, they stay on at United as coaches. Those two embody what United is all about. Working under Fergie for all these years has been a brilliant education in football management and that kind of thing can't be bought.people questioned Scholes legs etc last season, he then retired and came back 6 months later to be arguably our main reason for our title charge
its dangerous to wish for players to retire, they may actually do it
Credit where its due, very good today.
Yap, maybe his best game in second part of the season.
I actually didn't think he played all that well today.
Lost influance on the game after half time. Scholes and Carrick dominated CM, Giggs didn't really do much.
And I'm normally singing his praises.
He worked harder today and as such made himself available a lot more often, less fannying around as well and held the ball up well.
True but it seemed like Rooney kept dropping into where Giggs should have been and at time Giggs was playing as the main striker.
Think we could have grabbed a few more goals if around 60-65mins if Hernandez came on for him. Especially against tired legs.
I wanted him subbed around the time Sunderland were pressing us in the second half, but I agree overall he played well.
Ditto but we has nobody to replace him with. Embarrassing.
He shouldn't be starting games any more.
I thought he played well tbh. Made it more annoying for me really that he didn't play there against City. I didn't want either of him or Park to start but if he was going to play then he should have been in the middle not Park. Hot and cold season for him, but I think he has lots to offer, as his link up play is still good and he brings something that no one else in the team really does. He might frustrate by loosing possession but he's more likely than most to play a match winning pass.
Why not? He was brilliant today - he thrives very well in that AM-role, but as a CM I'm more concerned as his defending is at time quite atrocious. Notice how he always faces towards the opposition's goal when receiving the ball - that's great for our attack, but it does mean that he loses the ball a bit more. When you have to behind him to cover that normally is no more than a little concern.
I hope we've see the last of him as a CM ever for Man United.AM is where he's at his best and as a sub on the wing.In the middle, he just cannot do it anymore
Whose position on the wing do you see a 40 year old taking?
Reminiscent of him in the last game of the season in 07/08 v Wigan following all the excessive criticism...
I mean off the bench,when there is 10-15 minutes in order to create some havoc, he could play on the left.
Nah! He's not looked like getting a goal tbh when he's been on the pitch - sub or no sub recently. Henrandez of last year it would have been a no-brainer not to put him on with 30 mins left.
He just needs a long summer break and pre-season!
IMO, he needs to take more of a backseat next season for the likes of (injury permitting) Anderson, Cleverley and other younger players.
Absolute legend and would like to see him in some coaching role but it's time for others to take the mantle and as Fergie says, a new era to begin.
Absolute legend and would like to see him in some coaching role but it's time for others to take the mantle and as Fergie says, a new era to begin.
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Anyone offering odds on Giggs getting to 1000 caps?
I don't think it's gonna happen. 970 at the most.
I don't think it's gonna happen. 970 at the most.
I think he's playing for it and I think Fergie isn't going to deny him that.
The only word to explain this achievement is 'wow'
Simply stunning, will NEVER happen again this! Go down as the greatest club player of all time, not only has he made all those appearances but his ability is also up there with the best about, and he has been consistent since the day he started until now.
Simply stunning, will NEVER happen again this! Go down as the greatest club player of all time, not only has he made all those appearances but his ability is also up there with the best about, and he has been consistent since the day he started until now.
Well, looking at how many how many appearances he's made the last three seasons I'm not as sure, he's made more than I thought.
2011-12: 33
2010-11: 38
2009-10: 32
total: 105
Giggs started the season on 909 according to wiki (he's currently sitting on 913), so he would need to average 31 games a season for next three years and he would hit 1000 at the end of 2014-15. Giggs will be 41 at the start of the 2014-15 season, 42 by the time he'd make 31 appearances at that rate. I really doubt he can keep up that pace.
If he can't play that often, he could get to 1000 by the 2015-16 season if he plays 23 games a season. But he'd be 43 by the end of that season, that's still quite a risky bet.
I'd think he the odds of Giggs making 1000 games is about 30-40%
2011-12: 33
2010-11: 38
2009-10: 32
total: 105
Giggs started the season on 909 according to wiki (he's currently sitting on 913), so he would need to average 31 games a season for next three years and he would hit 1000 at the end of 2014-15. Giggs will be 41 at the start of the 2014-15 season, 42 by the time he'd make 31 appearances at that rate. I really doubt he can keep up that pace.
If he can't play that often, he could get to 1000 by the 2015-16 season if he plays 23 games a season. But he'd be 43 by the end of that season, that's still quite a risky bet.
I'd think he the odds of Giggs making 1000 games is about 30-40%
Finally a thread that actually admires the man, and not that bollocks on how some wish he'd hang up his boots.
More like a symbolic 1%. I love Giggsy but that would just rip the piss.
Now, at 99/1 I could see some value in that market.
I mean, whose to say Giggs will lose any endurance between now and 42? Especially if he becomes an impact sub, I can see him playing till 42. I think SAF said he thinks he could play into his 40s.
""My personal feeling is that Ryan can play for another couple of years", Ferguson told his club’s official site in September of this year.
I can see both Giggs and Fergie giving it 2-3 more years quite easily, probably both leaving at the end of the same season.
I think it's hard to argue that Giggs can't come on as a sub in any game and change it for the last 25~ minutes. I think Fergie will always trust Giggs to create a chance or provide some kind of spark, so the 1000 is possible although I feel it's rather unlikely. If he manages to get close to 950 this season, then he'll probably go for it but play less than 30 games in the last two seasons before retiring.
Either that, or he retires at the end of this season with Scholes (permanently).
I think it's hard to argue that Giggs can't come on as a sub in any game and change it for the last 25~ minutes. I think Fergie will always trust Giggs to create a chance or provide some kind of spark, so the 1000 is possible although I feel it's rather unlikely. If he manages to get close to 950 this season, then he'll probably go for it but play less than 30 games in the last two seasons before retiring.
Either that, or he retires at the end of this season with Scholes (permanently).
If Sir Alex (or indeed Ryan himself) cared about such a milestone, then I'd think he'd be getting a lot more sub appearances to rack-up the numbers - league cups and dead-rubbers, final minutes of league games when they are won (if such games exist any more), etc. That might maybe prevent another sub getting on, but I doubt Sir Alex would entertain the notion anyway - quite rightly so.
For me though if I were so close to 1,000 appearances then it would haunt me later in life if I stopped just short. Mild OCD maybe?
For me though if I were so close to 1,000 appearances then it would haunt me later in life if I stopped just short. Mild OCD maybe?
You make it sound like nobody has appreciated all he has done, nobody does not consider him a true legend.
It does not mean the question should be asked about what he can still possibly bring to the side right now. Personally apart from being great to have around the club I do not see him having much impact on a footballing aspect.
I am certain he has one or two moments left in him. But nothing at all sustained even for a single 90 minutes.