Why though? Nothing has changed, the game was never played "like gentlemen" people has some sort of mystical thought that at some point the game was "pure". Maybe diving wasn't part of it but going in hard and on some occasions cutting the opposition in 2 was, shirt pulling was rife and shoulder charges were just part of the game and elbows in the face were to be expected.Unfortunately you are right.
It is when I read threads like this that I feel like giving up on football.
I just feels like diving and 'tactical fouls' are so widespread. That in conjunction with the way so many people talk about 'the spirit of the game', which now seems so pretentious it is insane.Why though? Nothing has changed, the game was never played "like gentlemen" people has some sort of mystical thought that at some point the game was "pure". Maybe diving wasn't part of it but going in hard and on some occasions cutting the opposition in 2 was, shirt pulling was rife and shoulder charges were just part of the game and elbows in the face were to be expected.
Amazing post, completely sums it up for me.This is the referee’s fault. It starts and ends with them. They never give a penalty unless the player goes to ground, which results in a huge amount of missed calls which should be penalties never being given (Our own Smalling for example, could have given away a penalty per game on corners alone over the years). There’s no excuse for referees to not do their job properly now that they have VAR. The only way diving will stop is if calls are made without the player having to look like they’re dead for the referee to think ‘Okay maybe this was a foul’.
For what it’s worth, ‘tactical fouls’ are cheating as well, and I find those much more reprehensible. “Taking one for the team”
This !Dives and faking injuries are designed to not only get an advantage, but also punish an innocent opponent with cards. That makes it different from shirt-holding and other dirty tricks you can do, that gives an advantage. One could also discuss whether the advantage you get from using foul tricks inside the box is as big as winning a penalty. The punishment for being caught is also bigger for the one using foul trick. Both is cheating, but I think diving and ,even worse, faking injuries is so much worse. It cannot be defended, this is not what our kids idols should be doing. When I see 12 year olds rolling around like Neymar on the pitch I get so sad. I would rather forfeit the points than win by a dive-penalty.
Have you never read OP posts beforeI just read one of the articles quoting him and he was joking. Put your pitch forks down. Context is king!
"But Mane laughed off the comments when pressed ahead of Sunday's clash, insisting he will not change the way he plays.
“If it could be a penalty for sure I will ‘dive’ again,” he joked. “If the dive will give me a penalty then I will do it to get it back. Why not?"
Oh god, yeah! Not the most welcoming to us "oppo" posters. I'm pretty sure they put me on ignore a while ago because my posts in a matchday thread was too annoying (I don't blame them, if they don't want to hear from oppo fans then fair enough).Have you never read OP posts before
Defenders also put in solid tackles/physicality which gets wrongly called as fouls. It's not an excuse for being a cheat.If a player doesnt dive sometimes they dont get justified fouls. That is the problem
Why should one player get a foul over another if the foul is the same -- because they are weaker and fell over?
I think exaggerating should be allowed. Diving not.
It's 100% cheating, I agree.Defenders also put in solid tackles/physicality which gets wrongly called as fouls. It's not an excuse for being a cheat.
Entire game is evolved around cheating these days. Even VAR is cheating. People flying around like swans if someone merely touches their shoulder and the sad thing is it works. Gone are the days where there was still dignity in the game.It's 100% cheating, I agree.
I'm not sure why we all (including me to be honest) deem this type of cheating to be so much worse than all the other snidey things players do.
He was joking and said the first two lines as a sarcastic reply to Peps accusations of him being a diver. Looks strange in print though.I understand the 1st part. Its not what fans want to hear, but it's what we already know players will do.
But the 3rd line make no sense.
Sorry, I got carried away. She's not that bad.No insulting other posters please.
Okay. I guess we can fix games too then. After all, cheatings been around in one form or another. Let's be winners etc etcSo was Ole's tackle against Newcastle's Rob Lee through on goal. Or, any number of the hundreds of "tactical" fouls made every single PL round. United vs Reyes was blatant, and violent.
Football is rife with cheating, always has been. However, while kicking people around with no intention of making a fair challenge is generally tolerated, or even celebrated, faking getting kicked is seen as a huge crime.
The issue with diving can't be that it's cheating, because not all cheating is treated equally. It also can't be because of the consequences, because a cynical foul can gain you just a big advantage as a dive can. In my opinion it's mostly just culture, especially UK culture. Violence is macho, it's what hard men do. Diving is soft.
That he's a cheat and a stupid one at that in saying what he said.
They all do it, including United players.Yes that he's a cheat.
That's some real apple pie starry stripe ideology right there.Do whatever you have to do. Juice up, take out an opponent's cruciate. Do what you have to do. No one remembers losers because they are wiped from Wikipedia and YouTube. Only winners matter. Ever! sniff
Scholes didn't do it. Messi doesn't do it.They all do it, including United players.
The feck is that?That's some real apple pie starry stripe ideology right there.
I'm very confused by you quoting me, because I of course said nothing of the sort. What I replied to was someone saying that diving is obviously wrong because it is cheating. My point being that since some forms of cheating are accepted, it follows that something being cheating is not on its own enough to make it wrong.Okay. I guess we can fix games too then. After all, cheatings been around in one form or another. Let's be winners etc etc
What you have here are the words of a man who does not speak English fluently. What he means to say is he will go down if the opportunity to earn a penalty presents itself but he will not go down without contact.He says he will dive again, and will dive always to get a penalty. And he finishes it with "I do not dive".
This is what 99% of football players, pro or amateur, do. Well, apart from the "I do not dive", Yeah you do, silly goose.''If it could be a penalty for sure i will 'dive' again.
If the 'dive' will give me a penalty then i will do it! Why not?
But what Jurgen said is correct. I do not dive.''
"If I receive contact in the box that could be deemed a penalty, I will go to ground.
If going to ground will give me a penalty then I will do it! Why not?
But what Jurgen said is correct. I do not simulate fouls."
Think that's fair.
- Time wastingPeople talking as though diving is something modern brought in by foreign players. It’s always happened, we just see more angles of replays now.
In terms of cheating, is it the same level as claiming a handball in the box when you know it wasn’t? Or a corner when you know it shouldn’t be?