Sadio Mane comments on 'diving'

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    Le Red Full Member

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    Both are despicable in my opinion. I don't understand why some people think pulling shirts is okay, or think of it as a minor infraction.
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    Le Red Full Member

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    Hear hear

    My interpretation of the quote goes somewhere along the line of "if I have to go to the ground after being fouled, I will. I don't simulate fouls though".
    Otherwise he would just be saying "I'm a massive cnut", which, let's agree, no one really does.
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    I love the completely arbitrary levels of cheating. According to this thread, lying about a corner or fouling a player when the ref isn't looking is fine, but embellishing contact is way worse.

    Fair-ish play :lol:
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    adexkola Arsenal supporter

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    Definitely.

    If you're so concerned about shirt pulling, go make a thread about how it's ruining the game.
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    shamans Hoser

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    That's what I'm saying. Of course there is an element of unfair play but there's a reason why skillful players are often labelled as "divers". @amolbhatia50k , your view on this is too simplistic.
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    MackRobinson Full Member

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    Damn good comparison.
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    Seaman New Member

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    I love the whole we are against diving, it should be unacceptable. The player score the penalty. We celebrate and then say oh that’s bad. It’s unacceptable, but let’s keep moving on the damage has already happened now. Anything in life where the reward is far greater than the risk most human beings will do it. Diving for penalty is great reward for small risk
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    adexkola Arsenal supporter

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    If you like diving then just say it. Stop with the rubbish whataboutism analogies and projections onto other fans. You don't know how I feel when a player on a team I support dives for a penalty. And it's actually on the record that Ronaldo while here, took a lot of flack from United fans for diving.
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    In my opinion there is way to many excuses for diving.

    It is true that refereres dont blow the whistle if you dont go down, and way to often is the defender allowed to almost pull of the attackers shirt. Those are fouls. But in those cases the contact is often clear and a hindrance for the player fouled.

    But i dont se how that justifices players throwing themselvses to the ground because of af minimal contact. Often it is clear that the contact doesent make the player fall, often he just throw himself to the ground because he could feel somebody touch him. In my head, not being given clear and obvious penalty because you stay on your feet does not justifie players making a contact look like a fool when its really not or at leaset its highly debatable. The point of falling in these situations is not to help the referee see a foul but to make a touch look much worse than it actually is, and in my opinion, that is diving. This is a contact sport and you are not fouled because you are touched. I have no problems with players not trying to stay on their feet when they are actually fouled like when Sokratis almost getting his shirt ripped of the other week. But throwing yourself to the ground whenever you feel a slight touch i have a problem with. In my opinion, making a contact look much worse than it is equals diving. When players dont go down when actually fouled they dont have to exeggarate the contact because the contact and the foul is clear as day, but for whatever reason the referee refuser to blow the whistle.

    Palyers like Ronaldo and Young has been rightfully accused of diving. I have not rewieved the cases but in most cases you could probably spot some kind of slight contact. I have no problem with saying that i think Martial dived in the weekend. Without a doubt there was contact but it was not a foul and it was clear as day that the defender didnt cause the fall but Martial just throwed himself to the ground because he could feel the contact. How often do you see players throwing themselves to the ground when it is clear that there was no contact? It happens but it is rare and even more rarerely that you get anything out of it. Is diving really a big issue in football if you accept that contact excludes diving?

    Obviously if you are running at a high speed, then it dosent tale much for you to but in many of the cases the player going Down is barely moving at all.

    Maybe i am just against teams being rewarded with a free shoot at goal, just because somebody was slightly touched in the penalty area and not really affected at all by the touch, but just see it as a possibility to get a free shot at goal.
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    Stacks Full Member

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    Loved it. the honesty. sport is a competition and you win or bust. do ANYTHING you can to gain the upper hand that involves bending the rules.
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    Rado_N Yaaas Broncos!

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    Apparently it’s something to do with the way English is learnt by non native speakers, it’s almost a placeholder acknowledgement phrase. I remember asking the same question years ago because F1 drivers always do it.
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    I’ve seen many non decisions for players who try to stay up even after being fouled and they get a shitty shot off because they were off balance and they get nothing from the ref. I have no problem with players exaggerating granted there is contact. The refs are too shit at their jobs to give pens otherwise.

    where it gets sticky is where we have players actually diving with no contact.

    emblishment vs diving are not the same
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    ok United fans are better than other fans as they don’t accept diving. If that’s what you want to hear. I don’t like diving. I just accept it as part of the game
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    Is there anything peculiar about how these athletes use the phrase? I can't see it.
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    mu4c_20le Full Member

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    Why don't you like diving?
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    Seaman New Member

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    I like it wen my team benefit from it. Not so much when opposition does
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    njred HALA MADRID!

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    So Mane was responding to Pep and finished his interview by joking about the diving. Is it really worth four pages to the drama queens?
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    amolbhatia50k Sneaky bum time

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    Totally agree
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    amolbhatia50k Sneaky bum time

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    Rajma Full Member

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    That’s actually a great idea.
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    A fact? :lol:

    I'd say the only thing that comes close to a fact here is that you're just as biased as everybody else towards your own team and against your rivals.
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    VeevaVee despite the protests, wears Ugg boots Scout

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    Nope, you’re just wrong. Like I say I’ve spoken with enough of both over the years to form a good enough picture. You’d obviously say otherwise though. So...is Mane a diver?
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    Yeah, basically this. There's a completely disproportionate amount of attention and focus wasted on "diving". It's nowhere near as prevalent and damaging as it's claimed. Often it's even called a dive when the defender does commit a foul but the attacker perhaps could have stayed on his feet.

    Yeah, diving is not a nice thing to do but the amount of righteous fury over it is baffling. Far worse things are simply accepted as simply "part of the game".
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    How can you possibly argue with this logic? You have absolutely no idea how the millions of Liverpool/Manchester United fans think when it comes to this or any topic. I know football is tribal by nature, and there is such a massive rivalry between Liverpool and United (I am no exception to this), but it absolutely amazes me how people can abandon all logic and reason because of it.

    How you can possibly claim your argument as "fact" is embarrassing. It causes me to assume that you are of the opinion that United fans are better than Liverpool fans, which is nonsensical. No set of fans are better than any, and almost all are guilty of biases towards their own club.

    Back to topic; this forum just sums up the faux-outrage you only ever see on the internet.

    As people have mentioned, it is likely that this is taken out of context, and even if it wasn't - who cares! Why would this upset you so much? A dive is no different to the countless other ways players try and gain an advantage by bending the rules. The "Dark Arts" as defenders call it. Experience, cuteness, cleverness, etc.

    Also, most fans won't care, and will likely laugh about it if one of these advantages helps them get a result.

    A question for those who are so outraged about this:

    In 2004, when Rooney dived to get the penalty against Arsenal (he genuinely simulated a foul), and Van Nistelrooy stepped up to exorcise his demons from the previous season, and end Arsenal's unbeaten run, were you outraged? Appalled? Sickened?

    Or did you celebrate and laugh at Arsenal?

    I think the answer is obvious - even I laughed at Arsenal.
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    VeevaVee despite the protests, wears Ugg boots Scout

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    I mean look how long your response is and not even a mention of Mane. And yet you bring up something from 2004 :lol:

    The problem is this is happening week in week out now. And yes, when a United player does it I see lots of people acknowledging and condemning it, even if they're happy we got a goal. The difference is Liverpool fans don't. They refuse to accept they've taken advantage of cheating or poor sportsmanship, and I see it time and time again. Of course I don't know every Liverpool fan, but I know plenty and not a single one ever admits it.

    As has already been explained, a dive has the most severe consequences. Very often a penalty, potentially a card or second card, and very often changing the outcome of the game. There's not many other ways of 'bending the rules' that directly result in that.

    How you can even fathom defending diving is beyond me. I guess it's because you're living in pretense having seen so much of it in recent years.
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    Except that I said the his response was likely take out of context and even if it wasn't then who cares? That was my mention of Mane... :confused:

    "The difference is Liverpool fans don't" - How can you possibly know this? There are literally millions of Liverpool fans in the world, but because a few you know don't mention it that means that no Liverpool fans do? What kind of logic is that? I can just as easily say that Liverpool fans I know, including in myself, have said that Salah/Mane have gone down easily a few times, or other instances from the past involving other Liverpool players. Now, applying your logic to this, that must mean that Liverpool fans admit this stuff just as much as United fans do, so wow we are just as good as them.

    See, how ridiculous your logic is? Both sets of fans have people who are totally biased and will never criticise their team no matter what. FFS, my brother in law is the biggest United fan you will ever meet and he still wont admit that United wont win the league this year! He also recently said that he wouldn't swap Rashford for Mbappe. The list goes on with the ridiculous things he has said in regards to United. And I am sure there are plenty of Liverpool fans who are the exact same!
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    VeevaVee despite the protests, wears Ugg boots Scout

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    It's quite easy to form an opinion on Liverpool fans when you've lived there and have been on a football forum full of them for years. You have far and away a more deluded fan base. That's been well known for donkeys.
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    B20 HEY EVERYONE I IGNORE SOMEONE LOOK AT ME

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    Extend this to tactical fouls as well, time-wasting and mouthing off to the ref.

    Clean up the game and make football great again!
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    Prometheus Full Member

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    It's easy to form an opinion but arguing that opinion is sound and can be reasonably extended to their entire fan base doesn't sound right...if you're being serious. It's hard to know what's banter and what people seriously believe anyway. When people express a generalising opinion on a subset of football fans I always assume it's banter/piss take.
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    VeevaVee despite the protests, wears Ugg boots Scout

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    Winding up these but it is true that not one has admitted it when they dive, and I’ve spoken to a fair few unfortunately, and seen many more talking about it. It’s also true that they’ve been very deluded in the past as a fan base.
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    I know quite a few of both sets of fans too.. The Liverpool fans I know are usually rather objective when it comes to football, and the Man United fans I know are so biased that it's almost impossible to have a serious conversation with them. So no.. You are completely wrong. From an objective point of view It really is the complete opposite of what you're claiming. And I am not biased at all. It's just the way it is comparing the two sets of fans.

    And I've never seen Mané go down without contact so no.. He's not a diver. You would obviously disagree, but that's probably because you're unable to view it objectively.
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    Ben Johnson beat Carl Lewis in the 1988 100m Olympic Games Final. History remembers the winner, Ben Johnson, as a cheating cnut.
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    VorZakone What would Kenny G do?

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    kouroux 45k posts to finally achieve this tagline

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    Just because there is contact, doesn't mean the player isn't diving. Mane is just very good at it
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    VeevaVee despite the protests, wears Ugg boots Scout

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    You can't just lie, twice. Liverpool fans are well known for making up United supporting mates as well.
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    Oh please.. It's a well known fact that Liverpudlians are among the most honest people around.