I feel he has all the right traits to go on to be one of the best in his position in Europe.I still think we'll see a redemption arc and he'll have a fantastic career here.
Really not cool to mention something like that in a mocking way. @GifLord work should be cherished rather than being used to disagree with him over his football opinions.Then you’ll have the same people describing him as a crock. If Jadon has given the green light to Ten Hag describing it the way he has then it’s a massive positive in the long run.
You should probably stick to the gifs.
He’s a spurs fan? Lots of imposters on this site.Ah, you're a Spurs fan. Explains it all now.
…Really not cool to mention something like that in a mocking way. @GifLord work should be cherished rather than being used to disagree with him over his football opinions.
Tongue in cheek but anyone thinking that citing Maguire's 'career' is an argument cannot seriously support a club used to winning trophies.He’s a spurs fan? Lots of imposters on this site.
You simply do not get to the level he has being shot. It’s unarguable.Tongue in cheek but anyone thinking that citing Maguire's 'career' is an argument cannot seriously support a club used to winning trophies.
Man, I sure am wasting a lot of money going all over Europe watching United aren’t IHe’s a spurs fan? Lots of imposters on this site.
Could well be right and it is all being exaggerated.ETH has done good work with Rashford and I'm confident he'll do the same for Sancho
1 goal and 1 assist in his last 8 league games last season, not sure in what world that is phenomenal. Hopefully the time he is taking away is what he needs to get himself in a better place and if he is struggling mentally then I hope he is getting all of the support he needs but the reality is he's basically never had a particularly good game for United and he's going to have to show a level of performance that we've not seen from him yet to get his place back because he's currently, at best, our 4th choice winger.He was phenomenal during pre season and the back end of last season.
Really hope he can find his confidence and form.
Gone are the days where you could watch someone's performance and not have to bring in goals and assists to judge a player.1 goal and 1 assist in his last 8 league games last season, not sure in what world that is phenomenal. Hopefully the time he is taking away is what he needs to get himself in a better place and if he is struggling mentally then I hope he is getting all of the support he needs but the reality is he's basically never had a particularly good game for United and he's going to have to show a level of performance that we've not seen from him yet to get his place back because he's currently, at best, our 4th choice winger.
Well I used the stats because for an attacking player they do tell part of the story. I must have missed these phenomenal displays, mostly I remember him being on the periphery not really impacting the game. I also hope he can find form (you can't do what he did for Dortmund without their being a good player in there) but it's not about getting back to anything he's shown at United, he needs to be way better than he's ever been for us to warrant a place over Antony or a rejuvenated Rashford.Gone are the days where you could watch someone's performance and not have to bring in goals and assists to judge a player.
If ten was just focusing on goals and assists, then Elanga wouldn't be starting over Sancho
Performance wise, Samcho put in some very good displays last season. As I said, I'm hoping he can get back to that.
He had a few decent games last season and he started brightly this season as well. But there's no sugarcoating it. He hasnt put in the shift expected of him. And it's definitely not normal sending a seasoned player on a training camp abroad mid-season. I hope he manages to get his head right but the signs are worrying.Gone are the days where you could watch someone's performance and not have to bring in goals and assists to judge a play
If ten was just focusing on goals and assists, then Elanga wouldn't be starting over Sancho
Performance wise, Samcho put in some very good displays last season. As I said, I'm hoping he can get back to that.
Well he tends to disappear in games. So if he’s not contributing in terms of scoring output what are we getting from him? With Rashford or Bruno, even if they don’t score you can see more intensity in their game and hunger to have the ball.Gone are the days where you could watch someone's performance and not have to bring in goals and assists to judge a player.
If ten was just focusing on goals and assists, then Elanga wouldn't be starting over Sancho
Performance wise, Samcho put in some very good displays last season. As I said, I'm hoping he can get back to that.
Right now the reports sound as if he is in a weak state mentally/psychologically. 'Not driven/hungry enough' isn't the right phrasing for this in my opinion. I don't want to interpret too much into it but I don't think anybody can really rule out right now that he's suffering from depression or burnout and that would actually mean he's sick, not unmotivated. Gis extreme drop of form compared to his Dortmund days is a bit worrying in the context of the recent media reports. Players aren't excluded for mental reasons on a regular basis.Sancho is rapidly heading towards where Paul Pogba went for us. Talent is there but clearly he's not driven / hungry enough to want to succeed. If he was he wouldn't let himself become over weight and unfit. He's a professional athlete in his early 20's for crying out loud. It's just unprofessional.
Don't see where he fits in anymore either. Antony has yet to wow me but he's Erik's boy so the RW slot is filled and with Rashford back at it and the emergence of Garnacho....Sancho is well out of the picture now. If we could get some decent cash for him in summer I'd be looking to let him go.
The list of things we can't rule out is endless though.Right now the reports sound as if he is in a weak state mentally/psychologically. 'Not driven/hungry enough' isn't the right phrasing for this in my opinion. I don't want to interpret too much into it but I don't think anybody can really rule out right now that he's suffering from depression or burnout and that would actually mean he's sick, not unmotivated.
No he wasn’t. He wasn’t even close to phenomenal. That’s just exaggerating some above average performances because we’re getting desperate to see a return on the £80 million we spent.He was phenomenal during pre season and the back end of last season.
Really hope he can find his confidence and form.
I get depression comes in all forms and can effect anyone but right now in UK we have people who are going without meals or the heating when it's cold. That's who my heart goes out to not millionaire footballers and actors feeling a bit down.Right now the reports sound as if he is in a weak state mentally/psychologically. 'Not driven/hungry enough' isn't the right phrasing for this in my opinion. I don't want to interpret too much into it but I don't think anybody can really rule out right now that he's suffering from depression or burnout and that would actually mean he's sick, not unmotivated. Gis extreme drop of form compared to his Dortmund days is a bit worrying in the context of the recent media reports. Players aren't excluded for mental reasons on a regular basis.
That's not how this stuff works, mate.I get depression comes in all forms and can effect anyone but right now in UK we have people who are going without meals or the heating when it's cold. That's who my heart goes out to not millionaire footballers and actors feeling a bit down.
He might be feeling depressed but I think he needs to realise just how bleeding lucky he is to have what he has and snap himself out of it sharpish. 99% of the country would trade places in an instant.
I hope he gets right soon though.
That's like telling someone to snap out of being ill because they're rich.I get depression comes in all forms and can effect anyone but right now in UK we have people who are going without meals or the heating when it's cold. That's who my heart goes out to not millionaire footballers and actors feeling a bit down.
He might be feeling depressed but I think he needs to realise just how bleeding lucky he is to have what he has and snap himself out of it sharpish. 99% of the country would trade places in an instant.
I hope he gets right soon though.
I really don't get this take. He's a talented player who we bought for a lot of money, and he's going through a rough batch in terms of fitness and probably mentally as well. The manager decided to create a special program for him to get him back to his best. It's in the best interest of everyone that he recovers, and it benefits no one that we give up on him or attack him. What exactly do you want the club or the fans to do?He should take his time and forget who is paying his bills. Its not as if we are light upfront. As SAF used to say, no one is bigger then the players. So please relax and fingers crossed someone will pick up the tab on our 80m rated player behalf. Not that football success matter.
Devilish is just doing that thing that he always does.I really don't get this take. He's a talented player who we bought for a lot of money, and he's going through a rough batch in terms of fitness and probably mentally as well. The manager decided to create a special program for him to get him back to his best. It's in the best interest of everyone that he recovers, and it benefits no one that we give up on him or attack him. What exactly do you want the club or the fans to do?
Very harsh analysis , but more than a grain of truth as well. Leaving aside his off field issues , that is assuming he even has any as no one here knows the real story.No he wasn’t. He wasn’t even close to phenomenal. That’s just exaggerating some above average performances because we’re getting desperate to see a return on the £80 million we spent.
Whatever is going on, and none of us really know, but let’s call a spade a spade. We can only judge on what we’ve seen on the pitch and that is that he’s been an unmitigated disaster of a signing. Painfully slow, can’t beat a man, about as strong and athletic as Mata, very rarely scores/assists or has any impact on a game. He’s been a complete non entity since the moment we signed him. Yes, he’s clearly got technical qualities, but that means nothing if he can’t transfer that to actual consistent performances.
Oh I agree. Since playing for United on a silly fee is not a high motivator enough for him to perform at the highest standard then let's create a safe space for him maybe he plays at a level we never saw him play in a United shirt before. As SAF used to say, no one is bigger then the player. Who gives a feck about our season as long as the likes of Sancho, Greenwood, Jones and Maguire keep receiving their salary and we retain the high moral ground trophy we won under the Ole administration year after year.I really don't get this take. He's a talented player who we bought for a lot of money, and he's going through a rough batch in terms of fitness and probably mentally as well. The manager decided to create a special program for him to get him back to his best. It's in the best interest of everyone that he recovers, and it benefits no one that we give up on him or attack him. What exactly do you want the club or the fans to do?
With respect, and please take it from somebody who suffers with depression and has done for years and years - you haven’t got a clue.I get depression comes in all forms and can effect anyone but right now in UK we have people who are going without meals or the heating when it's cold. That's who my heart goes out to not millionaire footballers and actors feeling a bit down.
He might be feeling depressed but I think he needs to realise just how bleeding lucky he is to have what he has and snap himself out of it sharpish. 99% of the country would trade places in an instant.
I hope he gets right soon though.
You evidently don’t understand how depression works, at all.I get depression comes in all forms and can effect anyone but right now in UK we have people who are going without meals or the heating when it's cold. That's who my heart goes out to not millionaire footballers and actors feeling a bit down.
He might be feeling depressed but I think he needs to realise just how bleeding lucky he is to have what he has and snap himself out of it sharpish. 99% of the country would trade places in an instant.
I hope he gets right soon though.
Close it, it's all speculation, none of us know what issues Sancho may or may not have, if it is medical then it's none of our sodding business unless he chooses to tellWhat does this even mean? Are you being tongue in cheek about a serious issue or are his medical records public that you can view them? If it's tongue in cheek it's very poor taste.
It's perfectly fine to discuss a player, but we're moving into a territory that verges on intricately discussing medical records, when we don't know the full story. If it gets worse we may need to close the thread
Nobody ever said that he's bigger than the club, but you don't just throw a big investment away. The manager is absolutely doing the right thing here, and he made it clear that he won't be back until he's ready.Oh I agree. Since playing for United on a silly fee is not a high motivator enough for him to perform at the highest standard then let's create a safe space for him maybe he plays at a level we never saw him play in a United shirt before. As SAF used to say, no one is bigger then the player. Who gives a feck about our season as long as the likes of Sancho, Greenwood, Jones and Maguire keep receiving their salary and we retain the high moral ground trophy we won under the Ole administration year after year.
Did I said that? All I am saying is that the list of players whose got a lack of attitude/physical/talent seem to keep piling up. Thus if a filthy rich owner had to come in and decide to re-introduce the 'no bigger then the club' mentality by pushing for a massive clear up then I wouldn't shed one tear. Prior to ETH's arrival I can't remember a squad that is so unlikeable and spineless.Nobody ever said that he's bigger than the club, but you don't just throw a big investment away. The manager is absolutely doing the right thing here, and he made it clear that he won't be back until he's ready.
The fact that he's on big money doesn't make him immune to other issues. People go through rough patches in their lives and we all handle it differently. I remember at 22 when my girlfriend back then broke up with me, I was so broken about it, and couldn't sleep or eat properly for weeks, money had nothing to do with it. It's easy to forget that those players are just kids dealing with their own issues like the rest of us, and I've never hear a bad word about Sancho regarding his attitude or professionalism. So I don't see any issue in supporting him during this rough time.
Everyone gets down mate I totally get that. He's got more reasons to be happy than most of us though. Money does make life much easier whether you like to admit it or not. Imagine never having to worry about bills or rent / mortgage ever again. It's something most of us will never know.That's like telling someone to snap out of being ill because they're rich.
Yeah, because ito easy to turn on and off when you wantEveryone gets down mate I totally get that. He's got more reasons to be happy than most of us though. Money does make life much easier whether you like to admit it or not. Imagine never having to worry about bills or rent / mortgage ever again. It's something most of us will never know.
I think if he lived a day in the life of a family really struggling right now who can't afford the heating it would help him see some perspective. He will snap out of it soon enough.
