SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness or memes please)

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It’s hardly a surprise. Cummings and his belief in eugenics was known way before this

Don't be so bloody stupid. This virus doesn't target the people that Tories hate. It probably targets their supporters more than it hits whoever Cummings might despise.
 

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UK is finally this week going to realise the true brunt of this pandemic. The mixed messages from the government will come to roost and we will have 500+ people die in the UK this week from Covid . If the government and public manage to get their act together then there is still a possibility to stop the madness that will happen 3-4 weeks from now but for the next 3 weeks we are pretty much screwed now. UK had the chance to learn from Italy but we did nothing and we will get it worse than Italy soon
 

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seriously how much hoarding can fecking people do? Selfish twats. Why do this seem to be a U.K. thing?
 

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Yeah, I'm fine, just left Zagreb yesterday, but those who've stayed there are in big problem.

Just as you've said, numbers are starting to go up, and then this shit happens, see my post above, that's just 1 example of what people were doing, imagine whole city being together outside for a several hours.

Don't even want to think about worst case scenario :(

Did you feel ti in Sarajevo? I know that Slovenia was hit as well.
Feck, it looks awful. No, I am actually not in Sarajevo at the moment, closer to Zagreb actually (Tesanj), but haven't felt anything here.

I hope you guys will get through it!
 

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I don't understand the logic of stopping people from going out for a run. Italy and France have stopped people from doing this.
Me neither. I go for a long walk/hike around 5-6pm every day for about 2hrs. I do this big loop that starts in residential areas, which are dead as expected, continues into the hills and then back down through residential areas. I see a good few people in the hills area, walking dogs, jogging or simply walking but at an extremely safe social distance. We don't come within 5-10ft of each other, at the very least. People need to be able to keep active and get fresh air as well as break the monotony of being in the same room from 8am-5pm every day.

There is a huge difference between this and 10-20 people sitting in a pub getting drunk together. It's also impossible to police - unless the government is planning on situating 2-3 police officers up in the fecking mountains of a tiny South Wales mining town from 8am-10pm at night or something, people will continue to exercise in that area.
 

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I don't understand the logic of stopping people from going out for a run. Italy and France have stopped people from doing this.
In France you can still exercise as long as you go individually and stay within 1 to 2 km of your home and stay out for up to 20 minutes. The point is to keep people apart not to imprison them. As long as people respect this then the restrictions may not get more severe but that depends on the responsibility of individuals.
 

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UK slow to react, an enforced lockdown akin to China from today would be to late, people forget, that wouldn't make a difference for potentially 2 weeks and the UK does not have the capability or capacity to pull something like that off.

Supplies are running low now, some places are overwhelmed *now*.

Had plenty of time to react, buck stops with the government.

Government has been reactive this entire time.
Those still defending the government seem to of forgotten King Boris's 'Take it on the fecking chin' comment
 

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Why do celebrities feel the need to speak up about matters way outside their fields of expertise? On here & elsewhere, as a non-famous person, I can afford to recklessly give my opinion on things; but if I was famous, there's no way I'd inflict my ignorant and naive views about serious matters onto the public.
It's silly. The only celeb I've seen coming out with something remotely sensible is Britney Spears :)
 

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Feck, it looks awful. No, I am actually not in Sarajevo at the moment, closer to Zagreb actually (Tesanj), but haven't felt anything here.

I hope you guys will get through it!
Yeah, looks and sounds very worrying by the state of it.

Thanks man, hope there'll be minimal damage in the end.
 

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So what's going on here? Germany has halved the number of new infection compared to the previous day. Either just luck or social distancing works really well there. Bans on going out are only just being introduced right now so that can't be it. With Austria it's more plausible the government's action are starting to show an effect as they acted much earlier.

Yesterday was a special day. Our gov made us understand that if our population still don't listen to the measures on saturday, there will be a full enforced lockdown. And most cities did listen, most people stayed at home. Maybe because of this fewer people got tested? Because our social distancing has been poor until yesterday, so that can't be the reason.


In a few hours our gov will meet to discuss the enforced lockdown/curfew.
 
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Don't be so bloody stupid. This virus doesn't target the people that Tories hate. It probably targets their supporters more than it hits whoever Cummings might despise.
Agree that the two don't corrolate. But his quotes make me think he felt allowing the virus run rampant was a price worth paying since it is only killing old people. Rather than shutting down the economy.
 

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I've headed back home with the parents for a week or two - but wasn't aware my Mum still has to go to work tomorrow as a housing officer. Will still be travelling around the estates she looks after meeting people, showing them around houses etc. It's infuriating that local government of all employers are taking such a fecking stupidly lax approach to this. They should be setting an example and forcing their employees to work from home.

It makes self isolation for me, my brother and Dad seem a bit pointless. Will have to be careful not to spread to other friends/family should anyone get symptoms.
 

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So far, no reason not to eat better around here. You have more time to cook and fresh fish is at 1/3 normal price (fishermen can't export as easily so they sell their catch here). Fresh produce is also cheaper, as most producers usually sell it to large supermarket chains which are now unable to sell as much, so they are cropping up at great prices in cornerstone shops, etc.
 

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“those present” and including quotes, why do people share such trash? I mean, I get why scumbag Morgan does it but...

Kin ell man, the UK government won’t be going to prison ffs, as has been made clear every step of the way, they are following scientific advice.
That's from an article in the Sunday Times so it's well sourced and accurate.

Should the UK govt be lauded for taking advice from a small group for experts whose opinion differed from the rest of the world's experts?

I think it's pretty clear the UK should have taken restrictive measures sooner and had been on the wrong track.
 

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People using this to score political points. Shouldn't be surprised though to be honest. Corbyn would have it all sorted by now no doubt.
 

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seriously how much hoarding can fecking people do? Selfish twats. Why do this seem to be a U.K. thing?
Tesco could be classified as an essential shop but it can't operate like that. It'd make sense to have to book into grocery stores through some online booking tool - even the local barbers has that facility.

All shops need to close ASAP, but until it's enforced/compulsory they likely won't be able to claim on their business interruption insurances if applicable. Otherwise they'll be depending on the short-term support offered by the government. They're fecking both business owners and the safety of the public right now.
 

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Well, it's not like anyone could've predicted what would happen in England.

Oh wait
 

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seriously how much hoarding can fecking people do? Selfish twats. Why do this seem to be a U.K. thing?
To be fair if that's from today then it opened at 9 for NHS and Tesco staff, however tills wont open til 10 so they'll have been a queue when it opened to the public.
 

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seriously how much hoarding can fecking people do? Selfish twats. Why do this seem to be a U.K. thing?
Supermarkets should be closed to stop people packing in. No wonder it’s still spreading. People need to get rations and allocated time slots to go pick them up from a local center controlled by the army
 

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Agree that the two don't corrolate. But his quotes make me think he felt allowing the virus run rampant was a price worth paying since it is only killing old people. Rather than shutting down the economy.

I think that we have to accept that there will be casualties and the reality is that it would be better for all of us if they were limited to the old, sickest people among us. It's harsh but necessary to be pragmatic.
 

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I don't understand the logic of stopping people from going out for a run. Italy and France have stopped people from doing this.
I went on a jog yesterday with my girlfriend. We ran through unusual streets and areas of town, almost no traffic, we didn't get less than 5 yards from other persons.

Problem: Many people went to run to their "usual" places, i.e., the city shoreline and parks. Soon you'll have more people than advised in these places.

I think Italy had to ban any exercise more than 200 meters from home because of that.
 

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People using this to score political points. Shouldn't be surprised though to be honest. Corbyn would have it all sorted by now no doubt.
Totally agree if Labour were in power just as an example they would have forced that Tory mayor of London to shut all of the major parks in the capital as is happening on the continent And which he has the power to do. Oh wait perhaps the mayor of London is not a Tory after all. Wish we could all come together during the crisis. The time for point scoring is when we have got this thing under control. I just hope the medical advice the government is receiving turns out to be right. Be damned if I am going to secretly wish we have buggered it up just so that I can spout that red or green or orange is better than blue.
 

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I think that we have to accept that there will be casualties and the reality is that it would be better for all of us if they were limited to the old, sickest people among us. It's harsh but necessary to be pragmatic.
That’s exactly what the calculations in the hospital will be when they get overloaded. The harsh reality is that younger people are more important because they are the workers that create productivity and provide the services that sustain the economy and society. Children are more important than us all too.
 

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Supermarkets should be closed to stop people packing in. No wonder it’s still spreading. People need to get rations and allocated time slots to go pick them up from a local center controlled by the army
The problem is that every town in the UK has a massive retail park or two with huge superstores, and high street grocery shops are almost a thing of the past. The retail parks are designed to pull in large numbers of people, there's loads of choice of different foods in every category and people have got used to that - hence the queues. In reality, you don't need all those nice different pre-packaged food things, but many people don't know how to even put a basic meal together these days.
 

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WHO: "Lockdowns don't beat the virus. There needs to be more focus on identifying the infected and mapping their social contacts."
 

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Giving out about people commenting on the British government's poor initial efforts to combat this is the UK equivalent of "now is not the time to talk about gun laws".
 

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WHO: "Lockdowns don't beat the virus. There needs to be more focus on identifying the infected and mapping their social contacts."
Tedros is the biggest clown in history. We are so, so far past the point of contact tracing. That shit was relevant in February. Unless this is an old quote.
 

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Every shop or public amenity or is closed except grocery shops, pharmacies, tobacconists and newsagents.
You may only go outside for food, medical reasons, work or other situations of necessity. You have to have a form with you when you leave the house and your ID, in case you are stopped by police.
You are supposed to stay within your own Comune except for unavoidable reasons.
Outside spaces such as parks and playgrounds are closed.
You are not allowed to be outside in a group (more than two people). One person only to go into shops.
As of last night, only essential businesses/industries may continue operation, other factories have to shut down till April 3. Construction sites too, unless they're working on roads or health facilities.

I've just been looking at the newspapers and it sounds like you'll have to have your temperature checked if you go to a shop or a pharmacy, or if you're stopped outside by the police.
Thanks man appreciate it. Everyone I spoke to at work or whatever sees the word ‘lockdown’ and assumes everyone apart from key workers are locked in essentially. I’m an electrician doing site work so thought I’d be at work for a while but if Italy have just shut construction sites I guess we’re only a few weeks behind.

I’ve understood to seriousness of this for a few weeks now but every day it feels more and more real, or perhaps surreal might be more true.
 
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Tedros is the biggest clown in history. We are so, so far past the point of contact tracing. That shit was relevant in February. Unless this is an old quote.
His resume seems to contradict that. And it's a new quote from Mike Ryan, CEO of WHO's Health Emergencies Programme.