SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

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So our health minister says that India has the lowest fatality rate in the world. Of course we do, given the numbers are HEAVILY underreported. Even with the lies, why are we boasting of it?

https://indianexpress.com/article/c...vardhan-as-countrys-toll-tops-2-lakh-7295594/

Then our shameless external affairs minister wants embassies and overseas missions to concentrate on, and ensure that the world media doesn't highlight the government's failure.

https://indianexpress.com/article/i...re-jaishankar-tells-indian-diplomats-7296036/


Absolutely infuriating, we've got a PR Government.
I feel angry and sad on your behalf. Doesn’t he watch the news? :mad: :houllier:
he’s like that general from the Iraq war
 

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Australia are making it illegal with possible imprisonment for their citizens to travel back from India. If they were offering help to support Australians in India it could be argued, but this feels like abandonment to me. It's one thing making it difficult, but actually making it illegal to return back to your own country or offer something to support your own is surely just wrong?

It's interesting that there's no human rights laws to back them up due to the Australian constitution.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-56953052
 

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Australia are making it illegal with possible imprisonment for their citizens to travel back from India. If they were offering help to support Australians in India it could be argued, but this feels like abandonment to me. It's one thing making it difficult, but actually making it illegal to return back to your own country or offer something to support your own is surely just wrong?

It's interesting that there's no human rights laws to back them up due to the Australian constitution.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-56953052
What? That’s crazy! Quarantine them in a facility when they get back
 

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Australia are making it illegal with possible imprisonment for their citizens to travel back from India. If they were offering help to support Australians in India it could be argued, but this feels like abandonment to me. It's one thing making it difficult, but actually making it illegal to return back to your own country or offer something to support your own is surely just wrong?

It's interesting that there's no human rights laws to back them up due to the Australian constitution.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-56953052
Country whose political class certainly admires the political regime of his trade partner number 1.
 

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Australia are making it illegal with possible imprisonment for their citizens to travel back from India. If they were offering help to support Australians in India it could be argued, but this feels like abandonment to me. It's one thing making it difficult, but actually making it illegal to return back to your own country or offer something to support your own is surely just wrong?

It's interesting that there's no human rights laws to back them up due to the Australian constitution.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-56953052
..what?
 

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Australia are making it illegal with possible imprisonment for their citizens to travel back from India. If they were offering help to support Australians in India it could be argued, but this feels like abandonment to me. It's one thing making it difficult, but actually making it illegal to return back to your own country or offer something to support your own is surely just wrong?

It's interesting that there's no human rights laws to back them up due to the Australian constitution.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-56953052
Seems so wrong but Australia have been fecking over their citizens living abroad for the last 12 months.
 

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Australia are making it illegal with possible imprisonment for their citizens to travel back from India. If they were offering help to support Australians in India it could be argued, but this feels like abandonment to me. It's one thing making it difficult, but actually making it illegal to return back to your own country or offer something to support your own is surely just wrong?

It's interesting that there's no human rights laws to back them up due to the Australian constitution.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-56953052
That’s so fecking crazy. Australia are trying to keep the virus out of the country completely. So it doesn’t matter which variant comes in. They’re aspiring to keep them all out regardless. So why have a different policy for different variants? It makes no sense.

Plus we don’t have any reliable evidence that the Indian variant is more infectious/dangerous but we’ve established that the Kent variant is both of these things months ago. And they never made flights from the UK illegal. There’s an awful whiff of racism off this decision. Don’t know how else to explain it.
 

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I haven't been updating recently but today's UK number(s) blew me away. We recorded 1 death in the whole country. Just one.

Sure it's a bank holiday so less counting etc, but nevertheless the count came to 1. In a country that was recording 1800+ per day a few months ago. As I'm religious I can only thank God and pray this isn't temporary. And hope other countries around the world get here quickly too.
 

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Those stats that show cases and deaths/100K population for Israel, UK and US are eye catching. Here's hoping that those positive trends continue.
 

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That’s so fecking crazy. Australia are trying to keep the virus out of the country completely. So it doesn’t matter which variant comes in. They’re aspiring to keep them all out regardless. So why have a different policy for different variants? It makes no sense.

Plus we don’t have any reliable evidence that the Indian variant is more infectious/dangerous but we’ve established that the Kent variant is both of these things months ago. And they never made flights from the UK illegal. There’s an awful whiff of racism off this decision. Don’t know how else to explain it.
Knee jerk reaction to what is happening in India and to two high profile cricketers returning home via Qatar to sidestep the stopping of direct flights from India. Not racist in the sense that they would have made the same decision no matter the country but it does demonstrate how tone deaf the Federal government are when it comes to race. So clueless an idea that even their own MPs are pushing back and it may not even be legal. I think the fear is that our hotel quarantine isn't good enough if a greater percentage of people returning are infected and that this will lead to a greater number of outbreaks especially when some of the new variants seem to be spread more easily through aerosol. The Feds could have taken charge of quarantine but again have gone feck all and that leaves the states having to do the best they can with normal hotels.
 
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This thread is basically saying that Indian variant is rising in U.K. as others are falling. Sort of how the rise of the U.K. variant in Europe was masked by overall falling cases. Definitely worrying!
 

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This thread is basically saying that Indian variant is rising in U.K. as others are falling. Sort of how the rise of the U.K. variant in Europe was masked by overall falling cases. Definitely worrying!
The Indian variant was always going to rise considering it was at very low numbers though. Talk of the Brazilian and South African variant has gone quiet. As long as deaths and hospitalizations remain low and the vaccines remain broadly effective we'll be fine. Ofcourse things can change quickly but things are looking much better here In the UK. The next test will come in the middle of autumn.
 

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As I'm religious I can only thank God and pray this isn't temporary. And hope other countries around the world get here quickly too.
Big shout out to God for saving the UK, next time if God can get in there before millions die then that would just be just dandy. Good job he likes us Brits best eh!
 

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Strong evidence the virus was in Italy as early as September and perhaps even before.

If lessons are to be learned then the early detection of new viruses is paramount.
 

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Big shout out to God for saving the UK, next time if God can get in there before millions die then that would just be just dandy. Good job he likes us Brits best eh!
If God saved everybody we'd have 100 billion people on earth cramming for space, like that old Star Trek episode where no one ever dies. Then you'll be praying for death, like they were. :smirk:
 

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If God saved everybody we'd have 100 billion people on earth cramming for space, like that old Star Trek episode where no one ever dies. Then you'll be praying for death, like they were. :smirk:
Or he would just magic up more space and resources for everybody / take the good people off to heaven. I mean, he makes the rules right?
 

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Or he would just magic up more space and resources for everybody / take the good people off to heaven. I mean, he makes the rules right?
Oh I see. Like cut out the middle ground and just make us all angels? Very philosophical but I think the thread is being derailed.
 

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Strong evidence the virus was in Italy as early as September and perhaps even before.

If lessons are to be learned then the early detection of new viruses is paramount.
My wife was in Florence in June-July 2019 for around 7 weeks (with a week touring Naples, Roma, Pisa at the start) with her USF college program. She returned to Tampa early August I think. Anyway, around 3-4 weeks before she came back she was struck with flu like conditions for around 2 weeks. She has a tendancy to get bronchitis and she did, she knows this and quickly got treatment. She was miserable for a week and when she called she said there is a lot of flu going around, everyone she knows and sees there seems to be coughing and not feeling great.
When she came back to US she had a relapse and was again treated for bronchitis symptoms. She is convinced she had covid19 and that it was around Florence in July 2019. Since then she has had what we would now call symptoms of long covid. Very mild though.

This is obviously undiagnosed, anecdotal, and the flu like sypmtoms was widespread in the local population and other students from USF on the program.
 

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Strong evidence the virus was in Italy as early as September and perhaps even before.

If lessons are to be learned then the early detection of new viruses is paramount.
My wife is convinced I had it Christmas 2019. Her brother in law came back from China and I got hit by the worst flu i've ever had. I basically spent 6 straight days in bed, unable to move. I personally think it was just flu, but you never know.
 

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My wife was in Florence in June-July 2019 for around 7 weeks (with a week touring Naples, Roma, Pisa at the start) with her USF college program. She returned to Tampa early August I think. Anyway, around 3-4 weeks before she came back she was struck with flu like conditions for around 2 weeks. She has a tendancy to get bronchitis and she did, she knows this and quickly got treatment. She was miserable for a week and when she called she said there is a lot of flu going around, everyone she knows and sees there seems to be coughing and not feeling great.
When she came back to US she had a relapse and was again treated for bronchitis symptoms. She is convinced she had covid19 and that it was around Florence in July 2019. Since then she has had what we would now call symptoms of long covid. Very mild though.

This is obviously undiagnosed, anecdotal, and the flu like sypmtoms was widespread in the local population and other students from USF on the program.
Zero chance. Literally.
 

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My wife was in Florence in June-July 2019 for around 7 weeks (with a week touring Naples, Roma, Pisa at the start) with her USF college program. She returned to Tampa early August I think. Anyway, around 3-4 weeks before she came back she was struck with flu like conditions for around 2 weeks. She has a tendancy to get bronchitis and she did, she knows this and quickly got treatment. She was miserable for a week and when she called she said there is a lot of flu going around, everyone she knows and sees there seems to be coughing and not feeling great.
When she came back to US she had a relapse and was again treated for bronchitis symptoms. She is convinced she had covid19 and that it was around Florence in July 2019. Since then she has had what we would now call symptoms of long covid. Very mild though.

This is obviously undiagnosed, anecdotal, and the flu like sypmtoms was widespread in the local population and other students from USF on the program.
It would be interesting to know the true genesis of the virus, as the reports in western media paint this as something that emerged in China in late 2019 and didn't reach Europe until early 2020

My wife is convinced I had it Christmas 2019. Her brother in law came back from China and I got hit by the worst flu i've ever had. I basically spent 6 straight days in bed, unable to move. I personally think it was just flu, but you never know.
It could be but if you weren't coughing then it could have just been the flu.
 

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Looks like Spain have really tightened up their international travel, no-one really allowed in. Gonna hit their tourism trade
 

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Looks like Spain have really tightened up their international travel, no-one really allowed in. Gonna hit their tourism trade
I know they've continued the restrictions on non-essential travel until the end of May for UK visitors (in fact for all non-EU visitors) but wasn't aware they'd changed them further. I know they've added India to what's effectively a no travel list. Have you seen something new on it?
 

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I know they've continued the restrictions on non-essential travel until the end of May for UK visitors (in fact for all non-EU visitors) but wasn't aware they'd changed them further. I know they've added India to what's effectively a no travel list. Have you seen something new on it?
Tbf was only looking at it today so no idea how bad it was before
 

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We’ve had to take our eldest (8 years old) for a test this morning. Bit of a temperature, coughing a bit. The wee lad (5) is now the same, and i have a tickly cough.
My wife and I both got our first jab last week.
As we are cocooning the only place these kids have been is school. A week after taking them back.
 

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a colleague in our Bangalore office died this morning from covid
I am in Chennai. I know of someone, maybe two degrees of separation away at most, dying every day for last two weeks. And we are one of the less infected cities.
 

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We’ve had to take our eldest (8 years old) for a test this morning. Bit of a temperature, coughing a bit. The wee lad (5) is now the same, and i have a tickly cough.
My wife and I both got our first jab last week.
As we are cocooning the only place these kids have been is school. A week after taking them back.
Hope you’re all OK geebs. Keep us updated.
 

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Do they still exist? Good to hear regardless.
I caught one a few weeks ago and it’s like the lack of exposure to them over the past year has weakened any partial immunity that we usually have. I felt so shitty for three-four days, waking up sweaty in the middle of the night and fatigued as hell.
 

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I caught one a few weeks ago and it’s like the lack of exposure to them over the past year has weakened any partial immunity that we usually have. I felt so shitty for three-four days, waking up sweaty in the middle of the night and fatigued as hell.
Ah that sucks. Must be really unlucky to catch something that’s not super transmissible during these socially distanced times.

Touch wood I’ve not been ill for coming on two years now, albeit my social distancing started in September 2019 when I started the final year of my degree so I’ve been working from home since then. I used to regularly get colds, coughs and whatever strain was knocking about at the time. I’m expecting that whenever I start going back to the office regularly and everywhere opens up again I’m going to catch every little bug there is and spend a month or two in bed with the Kleenex and not in a good way.
 

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https://apple.news/A_6f-Ph2ZR8-xo4Ax99EP3w


It is believed that more than 500 cases of B.1.617.2 have now been detected across England with the highest levels in London and the north-west of England.


That would represent a sharp rise from the 202 cases officially recorded by PHE in the UK as of 28 April.


It is not known how many of the current infections in the UK can be linked back to international travel.


However, it is thought there has already been some evidence of "significant" community transmission, mainly linked to workplaces and religions gatherings.


In one cluster at a care home, 14 elderly residents who have all been vaccinated were infected with the variant, the source said. A number needed hospital treatment but not for severe disease, and it is thought all have now recovered.”

That last paragraph isn’t nice read
 

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https://apple.news/A_6f-Ph2ZR8-xo4Ax99EP3w


It is believed that more than 500 cases of B.1.617.2 have now been detected across England with the highest levels in London and the north-west of England.


That would represent a sharp rise from the 202 cases officially recorded by PHE in the UK as of 28 April.


It is not known how many of the current infections in the UK can be linked back to international travel.


However, it is thought there has already been some evidence of "significant" community transmission, mainly linked to workplaces and religions gatherings.


In one cluster at a care home, 14 elderly residents who have all been vaccinated were infected with the variant, the source said. A number needed hospital treatment but not for severe disease, and it is thought all have now recovered.”

That last paragraph isn’t nice read
I'd say the last paragraph shows that the vaccine worked pretty well in this instance. Unvaccinated these 14 could well have ended up in a much worse state.
 

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In one cluster at a care home, 14 elderly residents who have all been vaccinated were infected with the variant, the source said. A number needed hospital treatment but not for severe disease, and it is thought all have now recovered.”

That last paragraph isn’t nice read
If the Guardian report of that cluster is correct the residents had received their second doses of AZ during the previous week. So it may well be good news, in that they basically were able to fight off serious disease on the back of a single dose of vaccine.

The thing that does worry me is that it got into the home. Was that through an uncaccinated care worker or, less likely given the numbers of residents affected, an uncaccinated visitor? Does that mean that the testing regime for staff/visitors isn't enough to spot this version at its infectious stage? Plus, of course, it sends us back to the ongoing debate about care workers and vaccination.

The other big cluster being reported this week is the school in Long Eaton where they've got more than a hundred cases. They closed for the week after the cases were identified on Tuesday. We don't know the variant involved there, but there has to be a serious investigation of what happened and why. Including questions about whether the heating/ventilation system could be involved - something we've not really addressed so far but which has raised questions in quarantine hotels in some locations.
 

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https://apple.news/A_6f-Ph2ZR8-xo4Ax99EP3w


It is believed that more than 500 cases of B.1.617.2 have now been detected across England with the highest levels in London and the north-west of England.


That would represent a sharp rise from the 202 cases officially recorded by PHE in the UK as of 28 April.


It is not known how many of the current infections in the UK can be linked back to international travel.


However, it is thought there has already been some evidence of "significant" community transmission, mainly linked to workplaces and religions gatherings.


In one cluster at a care home, 14 elderly residents who have all been vaccinated were infected with the variant, the source said. A number needed hospital treatment but not for severe disease, and it is thought all have now recovered.”

That last paragraph isn’t nice read
It didn’t fecking walk to the U.K. from India. Anyone that comes in from India or transited through the country should be in a quarantine