Spain were around 400 at the same stage.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Deaths are unfortunately among the least relevant statistics at this stage. Good to see a low figure as it means less people died today, but it's the growth of new cases that is most important at this point.
Totally agree. Keeping fingers crossed it’s not a one off. All credit to NHS staff.
Why is it? New cases is dependent on the amount of testing done. I think people want to see less dead people as the most important marker.
The same stage as the UK are today? According to that table Spain had 1813 deaths at the same stage
Definitely. Good news, though.
I think it's been several weeks since the handwashing advice first started being transmitted. It definitely seemed to take hold in a lot of people, from what I recall. Hopefully we're seeing the start of something good.
But it'll take a couple more days of levelling off before I start getting optimistic.
Landed Doha from Phuket.. Very quiet, feels like safest place on planet! But it is 1am. Great service from Qatar Airways so far and Phuket airport was also amazing in terms of hygiene protocols.
Read some terrible reports about Heathrow in UK media today so fear Heathrow covid19 protocols won’t get close to Phuket or Doha airport. Hope Heathrow have sorted out their act by now
Flight is abit surreal. You’re very conscious on covid19 threat, but then get into a movie and forget. But then you suddenly remember about the real threat of infection because you’re wearing a mask.
Inside the mask heats up so feels like nose and mouth are in a permanent sauna, while rest of body is normal! Very strange and annoying sensation!
Read some terrible reports about Heathrow in UK media today so fear Heathrow covid19 protocols won’t get close to Phuket or Doha airport. Hope Heathrow have sorted out their act by now
Flight is abit surreal. You’re very conscious on covid19 threat, but then get into a movie and forget. But then you suddenly remember about the real threat of infection because you’re wearing a mask.
Inside the mask heats up so feels like nose and mouth are in a permanent sauna, while rest of body is normal! Very strange and annoying sensation!
I’ve been counting since when those countries hit about 200 cases because that’s when the exponential growth really exploded. Handily Italy and the UK were both on 233 at one point.
My guess is that it would more be to do with logistical factors, demographics and the general health of populations, more those type of things.
Total cases are important because they show whether the control measures are working to slow growth.
Active cases are important so you can see how close to your healthcare capacity you are.
People dying is obviously a big deal, but for measuring the pandemic they're not especially useful at this stage. Death rates are sheer chance until we develop treatments for it, but if the cases grow the deaths will follow.
Great work from the NHS. High fives all around.
Yeah. We need more days like today.
Did you eat and drink, swiftly lifting the mask though?
Yeah I know feck all about the details of this Oxford model but it does seem pretty suspect. One for the epidemiologists to argue about!
What’s the news from Italy today?
Deaths much more relevant than cases in the Uk, where they’ve done a fair bit less testing per capita than a lot of other countries.
Deaths are highly dependend on the demographics (mainly age) of the diseased population. Get a care home infected and you have a dozen new cases on that list.
Yeah if you only test really sick people then those people not dying is a big factor.
Slight improvement again but still not out of the woods.
Active cases reduced for the fourth day in a row and total new cases are on a slight downward trend too.
I just wanted to query something regarding social distancing. If a family who is in a house visit another family in a house, and both go no where else, can they still catch Coronavirus if they are going straight from house to house e.g in car and then out of car. Just had a query from someone when we were discussing but didn’t have the answer so just wondered what people thought. We were discussing how the virus could be caught.
Right OK, I see. By my reckoning that would still have put Spain on 638, somewhere between Italy and the UK.
Much closer than the other table though.
Personally I'd start it nearer the 100 deaths mark myself, which would put Spain at around 900/1000 which seems to reflect what's happening to them.
Only time will tell though.
It's good for headlines but it doesn't tell you much about how the outbreak is progressing, and that's what everybody should be worried about most at the moment. Deaths are never talked about by governments in terms of controlling the outbreak because you can't control them. As long as the testing criteria remains constant it shows you the trend you are in and that's what is being studied.
Yes, it's a stupid idea and against the rules (in the UK) so tell them to forget about it.
Yes! And felt super weirdly vulnerable. Also also-wipes down my tv, seat elbow, and dining tray. Feels utterly bizzare and insane, but maybe it’s a sneak peak into a new reality, just like air travel fundamentally changed after 9/11.
As it’s my first time on a plane during convid19 crisis, it’s all new experiences and have no idea what twists and plots are around the corner!
My friend who works for British steel has basically been told that his job is essential and must keep going, which is fair enough. The thing is he's also been told that if he catches it (already two confirmed cases of people he knows) then he will be sacked.
I’d say yes they can catch it, someone in house a could have it asymptomatic and travel and infect house b
If both families have not left their homes for even one second for the last two weeks, it would be very unlikely anyone of them were exposed/infected. It's not a realistic scenario though.
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Well that fecking sucks. Unbelievable.
I would say being on a plane would be one of the safest places from the virus since the air is refreshed every few minutes.
Hopefully if he is forced to go in against his will he could sue if they sack him for catching the virus. I don't know as I'm not a lawyer.
Doesn't it just. Absolutely shocking really.
So worldometer is on 464683 cases in the world with 20942 deaths today. That's 4,5% death percentage today, 25th of march.
But I think we can safetly say that the number of infected is at least twice the official number, probably even more.
But I think we can safetly say that the number of infected is at least twice the official number, probably even more.
India seems to have some innovative means of stopping the spread of the virus.
They wouldn't have a leg to stand on if they did that.
Not much you can do re drinks on a long haul I guess. Cleaning trays etc is a good move anytime I guess, given people stick their heads and feet on them.
When I left Singapore to fly back to Heathrow on 13 March it was a different world- no heat camera testing and only one thing of hand sanitiser in the whole damn terminal.
That's what I also said to him.
1) get job for British Steel
2) lick toilet seat
3) get sacked by British Steel
4) profit
That's my Thursday planned out then.
2) lick toilet seat
3) get sacked by British Steel
4) profit
That's my Thursday planned out then.
Yeah. It’s not the air that the problem.
It’s if you’re unfortunate to be seated within 2 seats of an unknowing infected person (includes flight attendants).
Was surprised to see maybe 30% not wearing a mask which is really irresponsible. Am sitting in Doha - London waiting lounge full of Brit’s now and loads (but still minority) not wearing a mask of any sort. I don’t get this bravado or ignorance or whatever it is.
The N95 mask is not 100% guaranteed, and you also have to take it off to eat/drink or just for a few seconds to cool the inside down.
Also you’re vulnerable to touching surfaces that may have been infected, eg bathroom handle etc. I have a very strong hand spray that gives me 2-3 hours sanitised protection, so am very mindful of that ritual (have set up alarms on my watch).
As i wrote, it’s lots of new habits and making sure you remember them all! Hope to God this is last time have to fly like this and science can save us!
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The testing criteria aren’t consistent though. They vary, from country to country, and change over time. To be honest, I think the main reason governments focus on cases rather than deaths is a combination of not wanting to make the problem seem smaller than it is and not wanting to seem too morbid.
Here’s a good graph on deaths. Uk trending towards being possibly slightly worse than Italy but not as bad as Spain.
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