SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

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I panic bought one of these https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B06ZY1N4K5/ref=ya_aw_od_pi?ie=UTF8&psc=1
after pogue's post and the follow-up article that someone else posted (on how covid-infected people aren't necessarily breathless, even if they're low on oxygen) last night.

No idea if it's good, bad or indifferent but it's reviews looked ok. Maybe someone who knows better could suggest a few models that look right. Please.
Arrived today, very easy/obvious to use. Says I'm currently 98/99% when resting. Which sounds good to me. Not sure if it ever says anything different, like if I was actually ill. Still, it looks good to me and told me what I was expecting to see.
 

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When you want US cops to be trigger-happy, they're not. Typical...

:lol: Pack of Karens.

Third comment down is a doozy.

This is not a pack of moms out to get some air, they were there to stir shit up. This is a protest group organized by Idaho Freedom Foundation, a conservative organization, she also says at 3:55 to call Idaho Freedom Foundation. Sara Walton Brady, the woman arrested, is also the founder of the group Idahoans for Vaccine Freedom.

In 2017, she made headlines when her then-five-year-old son was denied admission into kindergarten over an immunization exemption, and she demanded a public apology from officials.

https://www.idahostatesman.com/living/health-fitness/article242188766.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...g-coronavirus-lockdown-closed-playground.html
Stupid, horrible cnuts.
 

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Mr. Sadeq Elhowsh an orthopaedic surgeon who worked at The Whiston Hospital, a part of St Helens and Whiston Hospitals NHS Trust, is another doctor who lost his life on the frontline today. This is the response from the hospital to the arrival of the hearse.


I’d heard about this, it hits home. It’s my local hospital, I was born there and so was my son. My Mum (isolating, COPD) is normally there daily assessing children and my sister is now there daily after being redeployed from another care facility.

Literally spending the days crossing our fingers at this point.
 

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There's no debate about 1 and 2. It does cause concern and stoke fear walking around like that. As for 2, I get togged up in the full PPE a few times a day at the moment, so I know we don't need hazmat suits and gasmasks.

You can get friends to deliver food, you can get food deliveries, you should have enough basic essentials, this has been ongoing for a couple of months now. It's only 1 week you self quarantine for when positive. Anyway, the guy was with his (I presume) wife.
So he'd gone full hazmat but she hadn't?

Was she wearing a mask we at all or even looking suitably embarrassed by the whole thing?
 

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You need to get a shot after every 10-15 years.
Also India has large number of TB cases despite BCG vaccine. Before coronavirus happened, Indian Council for Medical Reasearch were carrying out survey of TB and found only 30% ( still in preliminary stage) had developed antibody as a result of vaccine. BCG is not even effective against TB for which it was created.
It is 70-80% effective against the most severe forms of TB. Less so for milder strains.
 

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On a side note, BCG was an absolute cnut of an injection that took ages to heal.
 

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Sir Winston Churchill: "This is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end, but it's perhaps the end of the beginning."

Infectious disease expert Michael Osterholm, who has been warning for a decade and a half about the possibility of a global pandemic, says there will most likely be 800,000 COVID-deaths in the US in the next 18 months.

Fascinating interview. Sorry if already shared.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/21/opinions/bergen-osterholm-interview-two-opinion/index.html
Thank you. Great interview.
 

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Possibly a stupid question but what would "Other" likely be?
 

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When you want US cops to be trigger-happy, they're not. Typical...

From the thread:
This is not a pack of moms out to get some air, they were there to stir shit up. This is a protest group organized by Idaho Freedom Foundation, a conservative organization, she also says at 3:55 to call Idaho Freedom Foundation. Sara Walton Brady, the woman arrested, is also the founder of the group Idahoans for Vaccine Freedom.
In 2017, she made headlines when her then-five-year-old son was denied admission into kindergarten over an immunization exemption, and she demanded a public apology from officials.
https://www.idahostatesman.com/living/health-fitness/article242188766.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...g-coronavirus-lockdown-closed-playground.html
fecking nutters.
 

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I have been thinking about the damage that a lack of screening and elective surgeries will cause and sure enough, there is an article on it:

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52382303

A shame there is not any hard data on expected years lost due to the coronavirus. Big-picture wise, lockdowns may actually be the greater of two evils.
 

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French study on the epidemic

France has been heavily affected by the SARS-CoV-2 epidemic and went into lockdown on the 17th March 2020. Using models applied to hospital and death data, we estimate the impact of the lockdown and current population immunity. We find 2.6% of infected individuals are hospitalized and 0.53% die, ranging from 0.001% in those <20y to 8.3% in those >80y. Across all ages, men are more likely to be hospitalized, enter intensive care, and die than women. The lockdown reduced the reproductive number from 3.3 to 0.5 (84% reduction). By 11 May, when interventions are scheduled to be eased, we project 3.7 million (range: 2.3-6.7) people, 5.7% of the population, will have been infected. Population immunity appears insufficient to avoid a second wave if all control measures are released at the end of the lockdown.
 

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My previous professor/boss was very interested in aptamers. One of the main drawbacks though is cost. At least when he was teaching me (2014), the cost was something like a thousand dollars for a single dose (for a medicine you need to take every month).
 

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If we keep on reading press releases about every single candidate getting through pre-clinical development it’s going to be a tough few years.

Think of the most excruciatingly prolonged Ronaldunho/Sneijder/Hazard to United transfer saga, only with a thousand different players linked to us, each eventually joining other clubs until only one or two are left. Over a period of several years. And those one or two players could still end up gazumped by Real Madrid after signing a Manchester United shirt and liking Pogba’s posts on Instagram.
Ronaldunho was some player. Way better than Ronaldinho
 

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Coronavirus: Social restrictions 'to remain for rest of year'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52389285
Totally to be expected

the post lockdown strategy would have to be that IF society can be re-structured to properly implement physical distancing (until nation is fully vaccinated), UK NHS now has enough capacity, staff and PPE to deal with serious cases, which should never be as high as pre lockdown peak because of physical distancing and reduced socialisation.

In such a society, the outcomes of contact tracing become the key disrupter, as people get quarantined at a moments notice, as soon as they are identified being in close contact with an infected person. All employers will have to be able to manage such absenteeism and continual disruption.

Can’t see opportunity for mass gatherings and doubt many restaurants or drinking places can make profit with limited numbers. No idea how international travel will work or how we interact with loved elders in but locking them away devoid of family contact til vaccination doesn’t sound like it will work.

May as well get used to it as can’t see how it works otherwise without mass vaccination or herd immunity.
 

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Reading comments on Polish websites I’m terrified how strongly opposed to a potential vaccine people are. There are thousands of comments under each article about vaccine development and 98% of them are about not wanting it because ‘they will chip us’ and ‘it will do more harm than good like all vaccines in the past’.

We really need a disease that will wipe out morons.
 

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“I’m afraid that the most likely scenario is that we will not have a vaccine before the end of next year,” Schwan said on a Wednesday conference call with reporters, adding that an 18-month timeline is “very ambitious.”

He said that an antibody test, rather than a vaccine, would be key to allowing people to return to normal life before 2021.

The blood tests, which Roche plans to launch in May, can determine whether someone has had COVID-19, the illness caused by the coronavirus, and is likely immune to the virus. That could allow the population to gradually return to work.

Some researchers are more optimistic that a vaccine will be produced this year.
Says the CEO of a firm about to start selling an antibody test. Hmmmm?

In one sense he is right. A vaccine isn't a given before the end of 2021 by any means. But ............
 

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Reading comments on Polish websites I’m terrified how strongly opposed to a potential vaccine people are. There are thousands of comments under each article about vaccine development and 98% of them are about not wanting it because ‘they will chip us’ and ‘it will do more harm than good like all vaccines in the past’.

We really need a disease that will wipe out morons.
It's the same here, especially as Djokovic went on record saying he did not want a vaccine a couple of days ago.

It is alarming how anti-intellectual people are.
 

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Reading comments on Polish websites I’m terrified how strongly opposed to a potential vaccine people are. There are thousands of comments under each article about vaccine development and 98% of them are about not wanting it because ‘they will chip us’ and ‘it will do more harm than good like all vaccines in the past’.

We really need a disease that will wipe out morons.
Natural selection at work. Although since it mainly kills older people who won't be reproducing not as much as it could be.
 

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Says the CEO of a firm about to start selling an antibody test. Hmmmm?

In one sense he is right. A vaccine isn't a given before the end of 2021 by any means. But ............
I thought the same when reading the article.

On a different subject, if it indeed lasts that long (or more), I would not be surprised to see governments say feck it and let it run loose.
 

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I thought the same when reading the article.

On a different subject, if it indeed lasts that long (or more), I would not be surprised to see governments say feck it and let it run loose.
Let it run loose and the economy would be devastated, even more so than is already inevitable, so it would be dumb indeed. But given the current bunch of clowns in charge who knows?
 

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Let it run loose and the economy would be devastated, even more so than is already inevitable, so it would be dumb indeed. But given the current bunch of clowns in charge who knows?
The thing is, I am not sure it is that clear cut. Dont know if you saw the bbc link i posted a few posts ago about a cancer doctor predicting delays in cancer diagnosis due to lockdown will cause more years of life lost than covid-19?

Ultimately, there is a question mark over whether a few months of complete covid disaster is worse than 20 months of mediocre covid disaster. I would like to see comparative predictions, but with years of life lost, not lives in absolute terms.
 

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The thing is, I am not sure it is that clear cut. Dont know if you saw the bbc link i posted a few posts ago about a cancer doctor predicting delays in cancer diagnosis due to lockdown will cause more years of life lost than covid-19?

Ultimately, there is a question mark over whether a few months of complete covid disaster is worse than 20 months of mediocre covid disaster. I would like to see comparative data, but with years of life lost, not lives in absolute terms.
The maths on that just don't work due to the slow development of cancer. Not that it won't have some effect.

And the way to get everyday medicine going again is to lock down and get R well under 1.

Australia is starting almost normal medical services next week because they have things well under control. Massively hit countries won't be able to do this because a) medical services are at or above capacity and b) you can't have uninfected people in hospitals where the virus is raging.
 

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Says the CEO of a firm about to start selling an antibody test. Hmmmm?

In one sense he is right. A vaccine isn't a given before the end of 2021 by any means. But ............

I think mankind will accept any sequence or combination of 'medicines' to get around covid19.

If Roche anti-body test works as claimed, they'll make an instant fortune across the globe, even if it has limited usefulness until vaccines available for masses. Given its been produced so quickly, doubt they invested that much $R&D.