It is very unlikely that masses will get it before next winter, mostly cause I do not see a vaccine passing all the testing until then. However, once it passes the testing I think it is not gonna take a long time for it to be mass produced. The vaccine is gonna be totally synthetic, and government like the US’ or foundations like that of Bill Gates are taking a financial hit to produce vaccines before they are tested so when the testing is successful, to start immediately distributing them. Of course, if the vaccines fail, then millions of dollars are lost but it is a financial hit worth taking.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Yes, western countries will spend whatever it takes to get their populations working freely again. Even a few months over another nation will also be a source of competitive advantage, to bounce out of the recession.
My point was rather the short term: there will certainly be a 2nd wave as vaccine won't come fast enough; only debatable and influencing matter is its ferocity and duration.
Spain's deaths (far right side), and other stats. This is not the full total, just what they've logged to now.
Well, except for masks and social distancing we can go anywhere within our own region in Italy from tomorrow, without having to give a reason. You can go to other people's houses, see your friends, get a haircut, go to a restaurant etc. All shops can re-open.
Numbers are looking decent today (675 new cases, 145 deaths), but then, a lot of people haven't been going anywhere for 2 months.
We are worried that there's going to be a spike again when people start living their lives again, but we'll just have to hope.
Numbers are looking decent today (675 new cases, 145 deaths), but then, a lot of people haven't been going anywhere for 2 months.
We are worried that there's going to be a spike again when people start living their lives again, but we'll just have to hope.
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fecking Rubber Lips saying schools are safe to reopen - but they'll need to stagger arrivals and reduce class sizes.
Ex-fecking-scuse me? If it was that simple to reduce class sizes don't you think schools would have tried to after a decade of overcrowding? It's very easy to sit on the outside of a situation like this thick cnut does often and talk about how easy things are.
I'll say it again; until MPs continue to be shit scared to go back into the House of Commons, they have no right to say it's safe for others to return to overcrowded working environments. They just want the schools to become day care centres again so they can send everyone back to work.
Ex-fecking-scuse me? If it was that simple to reduce class sizes don't you think schools would have tried to after a decade of overcrowding? It's very easy to sit on the outside of a situation like this thick cnut does often and talk about how easy things are.
I'll say it again; until MPs continue to be shit scared to go back into the House of Commons, they have no right to say it's safe for others to return to overcrowded working environments. They just want the schools to become day care centres again so they can send everyone back to work.
We are all going to be that little more cautious this time round, If we all follow the guidelines by distancing ourselves and wearing PPE when necessary I think we can start returning to normality.
Just hoping we don't get another spike as I don't think I will cope as well with another lockdown.
Oops. Didn’t realise the guy I was retweeting was an arsehole. Sorry about that. Also did some reading up and protests seems to be more about pay and contracts than an objection to how the crisis has been handled.
That’s great to see. Especially coming after good weather and generally looser behaviour of last weekend. I didn’t think we had a hope of getting cases down to zero but maybe, just maybe...
Didn't we already know this? I've been going off this thinking for ages anyway.
Pretty much but it's always nice to have links to lots of evidence proving it.
Some of them made me laugh, just shows what a cluster feck it is.
It is great that people are getting out and about again , I have just been looking at live cams around the world and in Italy on Webcamtaxi and it seems many places have opened up. Just be careful , better safe than sorry.
Affordable price = enough to cover what the UK has spent on schemes during lockdowns and the pandemic?
I think the biggest hurdles at the moment to a "functional" normality is dealing with public transport.
But clubs, festivals, spectator sports and other mass gatherings will take a while to find a solution to.
Given how strict and well observed lock down was in North Italy, I think you will be much safer and have more reasons to be confident than UK.
I don't understand why so many governments aren't at least trying for a full wipe out of the virus.
I know it's not easy. But can we all not lock down for another couple of months? Along with heavy testing and contact tracing it seems possible, in richer countries at least. Aus and NZ seem to be almost there. After all, with a vaccine still seemingly miles away, if we get another rise we'll likely be in lockdown again. Surely that would be worse in terms of public mental health.
Government pledges £84m to mass produce Oxford vaccine if trials successful
Sharma said the government has already invested £47m in the Oxford University and Imperial College London vaccine trials, but is today announcing a further £84m funding to help accelerate their work.
He said this money will be used to start mass producing the Oxford vaccine is the trials prove successful, so it can be distributed to the UK population straight away. The funding will also allow Imperial to launch phase three of its vaccine trial later in the year.
That was my immediate thought. Why would doctors and nurses line up to receive a prime minister in the first place? It's not a state visit or even royalty. And the health staff are needed inside, not lining up on the approach.
Thanks, we have been very careful so far. We literally haven't left the village except for one occasion, when we had to go to our vet with one of the dogs.
We have booked a short trip to a nice hotel in Puglia towards the end of June, by which time we'll be able to travel freely within the whole of the country (as long as things don't go pear-shaped). We chose to go south, as there have been far fewer cases down there!
Judging by the amount of people who absolutely shit their pants when someone walks/jogs anywhere near them I’d say this is far from well known information.
In a way I think yes, we are over the worse of this. Being that the worse of this was the eminent colapse of health systems, many countries in Europe seem to have narrowly avoided that. The delay in action had to be responded with extreme measures. These bought us time to understand better how the disease transmits, what is relatively safe to do and what is not.
I think the retaking of activity will not be "normal", and the extra-care that will be put into things will make the resurgence of this disease (where it's almost gone) a slower, painful process (people will keep on dying, and many things people like to do will remain off-limits) and probably intermixed with lots of trial and error measures, hopefully avoiding a huge surge of the disease that gets us into the critical zone again.
Add to that the possibly unprecedented worldwide recession and we're in for a tough, long ride. My hope is that this ride remains controlled.
I've worked 56 hours this week in our Covid-ER and, during my shifts, saw a grand total of 5 patients. 4 of them were so low-risk that they weren't even tested and ended up transferred to the normal ER. The 5th was tested, but came negative. We're almost doing a Faroe Islands here in Azores, a celebration of "zero cases".
Then what? We must reopen the islands. In fact, I think it should have been done already. Unless the option is to remain "closed" for na unknown amount of time, which comes with huge consequences and risks too.
Yesterday only one patient came through here, but 27 professionals (among doctors, nurses and auxiliary staff) dedicated their entire shifts to this place. We need to either shut it down or start using it. It's tremendous wasted capacity.
Then what? We must reopen the islands. In fact, I think it should have been done already. Unless the option is to remain "closed" for na unknown amount of time, which comes with huge consequences and risks too.
Yesterday only one patient came through here, but 27 professionals (among doctors, nurses and auxiliary staff) dedicated their entire shifts to this place. We need to either shut it down or start using it. It's tremendous wasted capacity.
Maybe. It could also be that a lot of people are just eager to gerronwidit... Regardless of the human toll.
Of all the economic consequences I can’t even begin to think how we “fix” this for places whose economy is in any way reliant on tourism. How the hell do you keep a steady flow of tourists coming in, while still trying to keep the virus out?
Yea but once we open up the country the infections will just go up.
Surely Leo and Tony understand this. I think they do but at the same time they have to reopen the country. Hopefully not everything will be reopened.
They can feck off trying to throw Fortran under the bus
Correct.
But also, for reproducibility reasons it's standard practice to set the random seed directly in any function that relies on some sort of random sampling or probability generation. I'm surprised that wasn't done, but like you said, reproducibility matters less than what you learn from running a simulation many times and aggregating the results (which should converge every time if the model was constructed correctly)
C-SPAN's Steve Scully argues with caller over coronavirus conspiracy theory
And how do you keep animals protected whose survival is financed in part based on tourists paying to go see them, thus keeping them safe from poachers? This is yet another trouble lying in the weeds.
Florida Man changes tune after god didn’t protect him from Coronavirus
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/progr...would-protect-him-now-infected-with-covid-19/
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/progr...would-protect-him-now-infected-with-covid-19/
https://www.livemint.com/news/world...claim-bangladeshi-doctors-11589718389637.html
They haven't written a paper yet but their hospital is respected, although It could go the way of other drug combinations that have been touted over the months
The streets have been as busy as normal for about two weeks yet today my province of 500k+ posted 4 new cases. If there was any meaningful transmission from outdoors the cases would have started to increase by now.
Last week cafes opened up for takeaway only so that will be another big step and we will see the results in the coming days, then from tomorrow everything reopens. Hopefully cases remain low but I will be giving restaurants and hairdressers a miss for a couple of weeks yet.
there’s plenty of PR and spin coming from the labs working on vaccines which is understandable because they want to attract and keep funding. However, it is just PR and has to viewed as such. Vaccines for corona viruses are rarely ever found, maybe because there was never the required investment but also maybe because it is very very hard.
They’ll be well aware of the risk of opening up. Just like every other government. Unlike some governments, ours seems to take the advice of scientists very seriously. The upside of having a medic in the hot seat.
I never thought we’d eliminate the virus completely. Perhaps we still won’t. It would be cool to crush it but also creates a different set of problems. Our economy needs tourism and I’m starting to think it’s in our long term interest to have the virus bubbling away amongst younger, healthy people. Gradually building up that herd immunity.
Fecks knows, though. A virologist who I really trust has started using the #get2zero hashtag and has said that that’s the best way out. Get us down to zero cases first, and then we can think about keeping out imported cases.
Brilliant news , made up for you all in Italy . Lets hope it is a sign for everywhere else.
It's tragic to see so many people detached from reality in an age where we can all educate ourselves so easily.
Reminds me of the case I read about: an American man sued God because He didn't arrange for the guy to play guitar as well as Jimi Hendrix could. It reached Court too...
Thanks, very kind.