The last thing I want is empathy/sympathy, I thought I made that perfectly clear.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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The last thing I want is empathy/sympathy, I thought I made that perfectly clear.
Yeah the immune passport thing among others was insane.
Despite having a pretty impressive oncology resume he's a pretty major quackery advocate - https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Karol_Sikora
In addition to being told off by Imperial college by straight up lying during testimony to a Commons health select committee that he was a professor of oncology at Imperial college (has never been) and later lied about lying - https://www.theguardian.com/science/2009/may/22/karol-sikora-honorary-professor-imperial-college
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200809/cmselect/cmhealth/194i/09012906.htm
LoserAh. Well there you go. My spidey senses feel vindicated.
I'd call it straight up murder. Really hope they catch the piece of shit that did that.
And lock them up for a very long time, same as that case in the London train station recently, though I haven't heard if they caught the person who caused that.
This sort of thing isn't manslaughter either - if you have a deadly virus and spit at someone then you're actively trying to pass that virus on with the potential to kill them.
From what date could we see an increase in numbers with the decreased lockdown measures/general public stupidity?
If I had to pick the next 365 people to die in this country, then yes I’d start with Boris and the rest of the Elected Conservative MP’s can follow.
feck. All of them.
People need to start getting angry. Really angry.
351 people died yesterday. But I’m callous for saying I’d raise a glass if we lost Boris, Raab, Hancock, Patel tomorrow? Far better people than that are dying every day.
Obviously I wouldn’t have them shot. Hence the darkly jovial zoom electrocution comment. But they are the worst of people. Disgusting human beings.
The fact that the old normal couldn’t survive this without the entire house of cards catching light and burning all at once... means we shouldn’t try to rebuild it.
Decades bitching about the minimum wage, social security safety net.... had a higher level of what we see as the poverty line been accepted, and we ensured that EVERYONE lived above it... we’d have far fewer problems now.
Shit, I bet raising all wages under £30k by 20%, while passing legislation to ensure it stayed in those peoples pockets, and social systems to support all, would have cost less than this recession will. It would have also left us better prepared to handle it.
If we just attempt to go back to normal, and a majority of this country stand around thanking the Tories for 100,000 people dying, I’m done with it.
If this period doesn’t see expansive change as a result, we deserve everything we get.
Apparently congregations in public areas of up to 500 people might be allowed from the middle of June onwards in Slovenia. We've had 4 new confirmed cases in the past week.
What about the huge death toll so far, they would have had a common cold at some point?
My local hospital in Lombardy announced today that for the first time since this began their intensive care unit of almost 50 beds is empty. Hope it stays that way.
The common cold is no single virus, it's a collection of viruses which are ever mutating. I'm sceptical of this news but I guess it's possible that there has been a particular strain at some point which has resulted in antibodies which have some effect against covid-19?
Apparently the Oxford University trials feature children. Why are children used as guinea pigs when they're not of an age to consider possible repurcussions to their well-being?
Will be interesting to see how they manage that over peak summer. There’s flights from London in August for about £25 and it’s usually £100 plus that time of year. Do they plan on introducing quarantines or keeping border restrictions?
i see, thanks. Lets hope so
Parental consent. Lots of drugs are tested in kids on this basis. Better to make sure a drug is safe/effective in small, carefully selected and monitored group of kids than give it to millions of kids - including vulnerable kids, with underlying health conditions - without fully understanding the safety profile.
Oh yeah, that's entirely fair enough, mate.
I agree healthcare workers for sure should get priority but for the rest its not that simple. I understand when people see these pure figures they come to this conclusion but going down this route you suggest is flawed. It should never really be a consideration to give priority vaccinations to people purely based on race.
It isn’t that black and Asians are susceptible purely because of their race/genetics as people sometimes think. It’s because black and Asians are more likely to live in either poverty, have untreated and undiagnosed medical conditions or have a poor diet (this due to the high levels of salt, sugar and fat in black and asian cuisines) and this dietary factor is massive. This will all contribute to black and Asians being more susceptible to those underlying health conditions.
However there are plenty of healthy black and asian people out there. Who it’d be pointless giving a priority vaccination to just because of their race.
Even before the coronavirus black and asian people were dying from these conditions at a higher rate than none black and Asians.
You're right - it would need to be more focused. I made it sound too simplistic.
What an indictment of successive governments it is that, down the decades, we read of recurring headlines like 'People in the north more likely to die of cancer/tuberculosis/rickets etc'; 'People die young outside of London'; 'Children found to be malnourished'; and 'Wealth inequality gap widens'.
It’s actually quite a recent development. Up until the last few years, there’s been a reluctance to do drug trials in kids. Because of the concerns you expressed above. However, there’s been a lot of examples of quite nasty side effects turning up in kids that adult testing didn’t uncover. You can’t assume children are tiny adults, they’re quite different physiologically. Something which is being made very apparent with covid, where kids respond so differently to the virus. So the regulators have decided that more paediatric studies need to be done. Exact same situation with the elderly (minus the concerns around consent).
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The suggestion (to the best extent I understand) is that since a lot of colds are not caused by a coronavirus, the percentage that are may offer some level of immunity.
thats interesting, then maybe those that have it and are asymptomatic may fall into this category?
4 of them are coronaviruses, and they are responsible for 20-30% of common colds. If people get some immunity from common cold, it is almost sure that happens only if the cold was caused from one of the coronaviruses.
Insanity
^The Trump Virus^. No prospect of a cure.
These would be interesting legal cases because there would be no way of proving that the accused caused the transmission, especially given both these deaths involved workers in high risk jobs with regular exposure to situations of contagion. Could they be convicted on the balance of probability?
Family could sue as that’s balance of probability. Criminal trials are beyond all reasonable doubt
So in criminal terms they’d probably get no more than a charge of common assault? I’d guess that the CPS might go for a manslaughter charge for PR reasons but you’d expect any decent defence to beat it.
Common assault, and if I was asked to investigate would be tempted, depending on circumstances such as how many witnessed it, I would also lock up for outraging public decency, to see if it sticks (99.9% sure it wouldn’t, but I would try).
Yeah, good luck with that, Piers.
Piers Morgan is making me feel uncomfortable. How can I find myself agreeing with him about anything? And more than once too 
Still think he's a cnut though.
Still think he's a cnut though.Agreed. It's incredibly difficult to trust in his sincerity though. I noted that the one position guaranteed to gain him publicity while on stateside tv - being anti-gun - was the one he adopted.Piers Morgan is making me feel uncomfortable. How can I find myself agreeing with him about anything? And more than once too
Or, as Prof Karol Sikora might say, they’ve cracked it! We’ll have half the world vaccinated by Christmas.
Yeah definitely. I can see how he picked up on the public mood quite early on, even criticising Trump to be on the right side of the argument.