Irwin99
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370 deaths today. How is the UK doing on a daily basis compared to France, Italy and Germany? Not in terms of overall but daily right now.
In France we have been under 90 daily deaths for more than a week.370 deaths today. How is the UK doing on a daily basis compared to France, Italy and Germany? Not in terms of overall but daily right now.
Badly. Italy 70 deaths, Germany 19 don't think Spain or France have released figures yet today370 deaths today. How is the UK doing on a daily basis compared to France, Italy and Germany? Not in terms of overall but daily right now.
Fewer than 40 for past couple of days in Spain.Badly. Italy 70 deaths, Germany 19 don't think Spain or France have released figures yet today
No. Do you even understand the premise of the video?So you agree with the the premise of the video?
O Rly?Bars, restaurants and museums are reopening in France on June 2nd. EU borders are reopened. The 100km limit is lifted. Orly is reopening too.
You should be ashamed.O Rly?
Combination of the length of the lockdown, plus Johnsons' statements plus this weeks weather forecast, i'm doubtful there will be much complianceTweet
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Worrying.
These are arguments of authority, which is one of the biggest fallacies in philosophy/science. What matters is what they are saying, not who they are. Does any of those arguments sound like science to you? It's pub-level opinions, at least the parts that were selected for the video. I'd decompose each of them, but they are really not worth my time.What part of it is stupid opinions? Did you see the body of work from the panel? Nobel prize winners - lots of well qualified individuals in that panel.
The panel consisted of well qualified, brilliant individuals who have accomplished a lot in science. What part of what they said is bullshit?
I don’t think couple of weeks would make such a huge difference. This could go on forever. I really don’t get how these infections work though, seems crazy that they won’t go up with everyone leaving home going around meeting people.Lombardy accounted for almost 65% of all new cases in Italy yesterday, and yet the mayor of Lombardy wants to lift travel restrictions from 3rd June. A couple more weeks of lockdown is probably what's needed.
You are being kind here, he used to be reputed but he is a bit of a joke in scientific circles who publically called him out in the past, he talks nonsense at every opportunity.These are arguments of authority, which is one of the biggest fallacies in philosophy/science. What matters is what they are saying, not who they are. Does any of those arguments sound like science to you? It's pub-level opinions, at least the parts that were selected for the video. I'd decompose each of them, but they are really not worth my time.
Has any of them even gained a Nobel prize in areas related to this? In case you don't know, Nobel prizes in science are given for very specific research and are not a general brightness pass. And quite often the winner isn't even the best mind on it, just the leader of the team.
The most reputed microbiologist in France has repeatedly embarassed himself over this, as has the most reputed Public Health expert in Portugal. In Covid what it matters is what you know, what you've studied about it, and your biases. Not your curriculum. So even if they are from these areas it's not a guarantee of reasonability, let alone being a random Nobel prize winner.
I have a friend who worked closely with him, he's the lead Covid guy in one of the best infectious diseases hospitals in our country. During his formation he spent 6 months studying microbiology in Marseille. Says he's got the merit of building the best microbiology lab in Europe, but is an idiot who literally calls himself God.You are being kind here, he used to be reputed but he is a bit of a joke in scientific circles who publically called him out in the past, he talks nonsense at every opportunity.
I don't think the travel restrictions will now be lifted completely from 3 June, which is a shame as we booked a trip down to Lecce!Lombardy accounted for almost 65% of all new cases in Italy yesterday, and yet the mayor of Lombardy wants to lift travel restrictions from 3rd June. A couple more weeks of lockdown is probably what's needed.
You meant Raoult, I thought that you were talking about Montagnier. Raoult isn't the most reputed, he is a lunatic and everyone with a brain knows it, he is a narcissist and will say anything that bring some light in his direction.I have a friend who worked closely with him, he's the lead Covid guy in one of the best infectious diseases hospitals in our country. During his formation he spent 6 months studying microbiology in Marseille. Says he's got the merit of building the best microbiology lab in Europe, but is an idiot who literally calls himself God.
Yeah, I meant Raoult. Maybe I should have said his lab is/was the most reputed. Or maybe something specific to tropical diseases, which I think it's what the fuss was all about. My friend was there a long time ago, I just remember it vaguely, but the guy wasn't an unknown to me until the pandemic.You meant Raoult, I thought that you were talking about Montagnier. Raoult isn't the most reputed, he is a lunatic and everyone with a brain knows it, he is a narcissist and will say anything that bring some light in his direction.
I'm going to be a pedant again but it's not the most reputed either, Pasteur Institut is.Yeah, I meant Raoult. Maybe I should have said his lab is/was the most reputed.
The problem with these guys is that they never go away. At least here in Portugal they stick around until they're 70 and (when public servants) are forced to retire. Sometimes they lead huge institutions their entire lives because they are very good at some specific thing, or because they have made something brilliant 30 years ago. Invariably, working for/with them is horrendous.
Yeah, thanks, I guess there was an element of my friend bigging the institution up as well. He was into tropical disesases though, which I think it's what they are more specifically known for, and edited my above post accordingly.I'm going to be a pedant again but it's not the most reputed either, Pasteur Institut is.
I've always felt that if we needed to lockdown again it would be a much stricter one because we really can't afford risking a third, morally and financially. Cummings and Boris have now fecked any chance of the general public accepting a stricter one, and probably wont even accept anything that remotely resembles any kind of lockdown whatsoever, so it would definitely need to be tougher otherwise it's pointless.Valance' tone and repeated message of caution really struck me today.
The R rate is JUST about acceptable....at what point do local lockdowns kick in? Is it at 1.1? And how long would it take them to get that data?
The new cases per week is still huge, be interesting to know how many of them are in the community, vs hospital and care home transmission
The death rate is still high...if its above 250 for tomorrow then, imo, the new measures should not have come in yet.
I understand that we have had a long lockdown and the general public are fed up, but lockdown has been practically over for the past week at least, and in saving Cummings the Government/Senior MPs/Boris have no credibility or influence now. People were struck by the deaths in the 6/7/8/900s, now, 2/300 its of no impact to the majority, and we forget that Covid-19 can make anyone of us seriously ill or worse. You are not immune if you are under 65.
I hope I'm wrong, but I wouldn't be surprised that the retail opening/secondary schools gets delayed due to an upwards spike....but will people listen to distancing/lockdown rules being imposed again at that point?
The craziest thing about rushing out of lockdown for the sake of the economy is the catastrophic effects of another one. Think about all the pubs, restaurants, hotels etc hanging in there, desperately trying to stay afloat until they can start to trade again. I’m sure they’d all rather stay with the current situation for another week or two if that helped avoid being back to square one in a month’s time. It’s the second lockdown that will finish those businesses off completely.I've always felt that if we needed to lockdown again it would be a much stricter one because we really can't afford risking a third, morally and financially. Cummings and Boris have now fecked any chance of the general public accepting a stricter one, and probably wont even accept anything that remotely resembles any kind of lockdown whatsoever, so it would definitely need to be tougher otherwise it's pointless.
It's a mess and because Johnson can't just sack the guy and is trying to weasel his way out of it like he always does it's going to cause ripples. We need a leader and we've got a boys club.
Indeed you're not, however, even the most cursory look at the stats reveals that your risk from COVID reduces dramatically the younger you are. So it makes absolutely no sense to keep the young and health quarantined indefinitely.Valance' tone and repeated message of caution really struck me today.
The R rate is JUST about acceptable....at what point do local lockdowns kick in? Is it at 1.1? And how long would it take them to get that data?
The new cases per week is still huge, be interesting to know how many of them are in the community, vs hospital and care home transmission
The death rate is still high...if its above 250 for tomorrow then, imo, the new measures should not have come in yet.
I understand that we have had a long lockdown and the general public are fed up, but lockdown has been practically over for the past week at least, and in saving Cummings the Government/Senior MPs/Boris have no credibility or influence now. People were struck by the deaths in the 6/7/8/900s, now, 2/300 its of no impact to the majority, and we forget that Covid-19 can make anyone of us seriously ill or worse. You are not immune if you are under 65.
I hope I'm wrong, but I wouldn't be surprised that the retail opening/secondary schools gets delayed due to an upwards spike....but will people listen to distancing/lockdown rules being imposed again at that point?
It's all on the Track and Trace now.Glad about the gatherings. Bit concerned about next week of the weather turns to shit. People gathering in houses is certainly far more worrying than dodgy beach pictures.
Death rate is high true. But new cases is something I think we should all keep an eye on. What's been frustrating in the last week is the lack of available figure of the number of people tested because from that with a steady lowish number of new cases and increased number of people tested you get a better sense of R0.Valance' tone and repeated message of caution really struck me today.
The R rate is JUST about acceptable....at what point do local lockdowns kick in? Is it at 1.1? And how long would it take them to get that data?
The new cases per week is still huge, be interesting to know how many of them are in the community, vs hospital and care home transmission
The death rate is still high...if its above 250 for tomorrow then, imo, the new measures should not have come in yet.
I understand that we have had a long lockdown and the general public are fed up, but lockdown has been practically over for the past week at least, and in saving Cummings the Government/Senior MPs/Boris have no credibility or influence now. People were struck by the deaths in the 6/7/8/900s, now, 2/300 its of no impact to the majority, and we forget that Covid-19 can make anyone of us seriously ill or worse. You are not immune if you are under 65.
I hope I'm wrong, but I wouldn't be surprised that the retail opening/secondary schools gets delayed due to an upwards spike....but will people listen to distancing/lockdown rules being imposed again at that point?
Just as well nobody is suggesting that.Indeed you're not, however, even the most cursory look at the stats reveals that your risk from COVID reduces dramatically the younger you are. So it makes absolutely no sense to keep the young and health quarantined indefinitely.
Have you heard of a site called twitter?Just as well nobody is suggesting that.
The same place a shit-load of people are saying the virus is caused by 5G?Have you heard of a site called twitter?
Pretty much all of it. Except for the bits that have been deceptively edited.The panel consisted of well qualified, brilliant individuals who have accomplished a lot in science. What part of what they said is bullshit?
In the real world there are plenty of people who have been scared to death by the virus and are resisting any relaxation of the lockdown. Obviously no one is going to come and say that they advocate an indefinite quarantine but it's equally difficult to foresee some people ever being comfortable with a non-lockdown world this side of a vaccine.The same place a shit-load of people are saying the virus is caused by 5G?
In the real world, not one government, anywhere on the planet is suggesting that young/healthy people are quarantined indefinitely. So why bring it up?
Ignoring what the definition of indefinitely is, the death rate of the young is almost irrelevant as it is the overall spread of disease that will determine how many predominantly old people die. So unless you want tens of thousands more old people in the UK to die, then it is the young who need to take one for the team. The difference being that what the young have to take is inconvenience and some of the economic impact, whereas if the old take one for the team they die. Of course it is frustrating, and incredibly stressful, especially if you have lost your job. I too want this to just go away. But it isn't going away and we need to act morally and ethically for everyone's benefit and not just your own demographic.Indeed you're not, however, even the most cursory look at the stats reveals that your risk from COVID reduces dramatically the younger you are. So it makes absolutely no sense to keep the young and health quarantined indefinitely.
In many ways I don't disagree with you.Ignoring what the definition of indefinitely is, the death rate of the young is almost irrelevant as it is the overall spread of disease that will determine how many predominantly old people die. So unless you want tens of thousands more old people in the UK to die, then it is the young who need to take one for the team. The difference being that what the young have to take is inconvenience and some of the economic impact, whereas if the old take one for the team they die. Of course it is frustrating, and incredibly stressful, especially if you have lost your job. I too want this to just go away. But it isn't going away and we need to act morally and ethically for everyone's benefit and not just your own demographic.