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Evo stik?Just got my 5th shot, 6 months after getting covid. The first 2 were AZ, the second 2 were Pfizer and the last one Phizer +Omicron. Ever other time I got mild glue symptoms for 24 hrs but this time nothing barring a slight soreness at the Injection site.
YesEvo stik?
Early on I found him to be really helpful in his postings and then weirdly he just became strange.What happened to John Campbell? At the beginning of the pandemic he seemed very rational and a good communicator. But he seems to have gone full covidiot since, misrepresenting and/or misinterpreting information/data all over the place.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Campbell_(YouTuber)
Fame went to his headWhat happened to John Campbell? At the beginning of the pandemic he seemed very rational and a good communicator. But he seems to have gone full covidiot since, misrepresenting and/or misinterpreting information/data all over the place.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Campbell_(YouTuber)
He was one of the first persons I used to understand Covid (other than this thread) and never thought he was too bright in the basic sciences required, seemed to lack some depth. But he was tireless in compiling up-to-date information, which made him very useful. Haven't heard him in three years, so have no idea how he changed.What happened to John Campbell? At the beginning of the pandemic he seemed very rational and a good communicator. But he seems to have gone full covidiot since, misrepresenting and/or misinterpreting information/data all over the place.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Campbell_(YouTuber)
At some point in time, I'm sure he made the suggestion that he had ivermectin in his cupboard in case he caught covid. At that point I stopped taking him seriously. Checked back a couple of times and he's gone batshit crazy. He even had Russell Brand on at one point.What happened to John Campbell? At the beginning of the pandemic he seemed very rational and a good communicator. But he seems to have gone full covidiot since, misrepresenting and/or misinterpreting information/data all over the place.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Campbell_(YouTuber)
Found his niche. Jump in veiwership from a few of thousand veiws for his educational videos to some over a million views for his Covid update videos suggest maybe that has something to do with it?What happened to John Campbell? At the beginning of the pandemic he seemed very rational and a good communicator. But he seems to have gone full covidiot since, misrepresenting and/or misinterpreting information/data all over the place.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Campbell_(YouTuber)
Same in Ireland. No masks (unless dealing with patient who has covid) in healthcare settings as of a week or two ago. Great to see.This was the first week that I worked as a clinical doctor without mask. It feels so strange, after three years. I feel a tiny lingering anxiety getting very close to patients, not Covid specific. It just seems wrong.
I welcome seeing people faces though.
Basically, he’s full of shit. I found out about him through his stuff about statins, which is woefully misinformed. His take on the vaccines isn’t much better.
Anyone listened to this, not here to discuss ludicrous conspiracy theories, just thoughts.
I got this recommended to me via someone in the same industry saying he’s very good.
I know rogan isn’t everyone’s cup of tea but it’s an interesting conversation.
Yes I’m fully aware of his previous controversies
Fair, I’ve heard the polar opposite from others as with any of these things.Basically, he’s full of shit. I found out about him through his stuff about statins, which is woefully misinformed. His take on the vaccines isn’t much better.
Like a lot of these agent provocateur medics, there are grains of truth in what he says. But he takes them to ludicrous extremes to attract attention, sell books and generally grift. Goes without saying that his whole “don’t trust the government/business shtick” is catnip to the average Joe Rogan fan. The perfect guest.
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That's because the noise is a toxic cacophony of ignorance and grift. Study after study that I have read say the same thing: While there is an increase in the prevalence of myocarditis post vaccination it is dwarfed by the increase in the rates myocarditis, pericarditis and cardiac arrhythmia following SARS-CoV-2 infection.Fair, I’ve heard the polar opposite from others as with any of these things.
Was mainly interested in the discussion about the vaccine side effects specifically the heart, the noise isn’t going away.
Edit: I will admit I have not read anything published in the last 6 months, so if something earthshattering came out that I somehow missed then oopsy.Our findings are relevant to the public, clinicians and policy makers. First, there was an increase in the risk of myocarditis within a week of receiving the first dose of both adenovirus and mRNA vaccines, and a higher increased risk after the second dose of both mRNA vaccines. In contrast, we found no evidence of an increase in the risk of pericarditis or cardiac arrhythmias following vaccination, except in the 1–28 days following a second dose of the mRNA-1273 vaccine. Second, in the same population, there was a greater risk of myocarditis, pericarditis and cardiac arrhythmia following SARS-CoV-2 infection. Third, the increased risk of myocarditis after vaccination was higher in persons aged under 40 years. We estimated extra myocarditis events to be between 1 and 10 per million persons in the month following vaccination, which was substantially lower than the 40 extra events per million persons observed following SARS-CoV-2 infection.
He just seems insanely biased. The two big red flags are him being convinced that the vaccine caused his depressive episode and his dad’s coronary artery disease. Because they both happened to be vaccinated a few months beforehand. As though no previously fit and well person has ever succumbed to an unexpected illness, out of the blue. That’s so crazily unscientific. He might as well blame an Indian takeaway they ate the previous weekend. Anyone who plays that fast and loose with correlation and causation can’t be taken seriously. The other big red flag is the way he alluded to his appearance on GB News as though it’s a legitimate trustworthy organisation.Fair, I’ve heard the polar opposite from others as with any of these things.
Was mainly interested in the discussion about the vaccine side effects specifically the heart, the noise isn’t going away.
People will read into things what ever they want. Look how many 100s of millions, if not billions, have had the vaccine. Possibly more than have had covid.Fair, I’ve heard the polar opposite from others as with any of these things.
Was mainly interested in the discussion about the vaccine side effects specifically the heart, the noise isn’t going away.
I've heard that the world is flat from people. It is still utter bollocks.Fair, I’ve heard the polar opposite from others as with any of these things.
Was mainly interested in the discussion about the vaccine side effects specifically the heart, the noise isn’t going away.
https://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlationsAnyone who plays that fast and loose with correlation and causation can’t be taken seriously.
I don’t doubt they’re very small, still believe there will be a middle ground one day in the future and there will be shown there was more side effects then believed, this does not mean on a mass scale.I've heard that the world is flat from people. It is still utter bollocks.
Serious side effects are very very rare and miniscule in comparison to the benefits. Most heart effects are even rarer and almost alwasy trivial that clear up quickly without treatment. These are proven facts based on millions of vaccinations. Noise is irreleavant as covidiots are always just as noisy, as they are stupid and wrong.
This is definitely true. It’s true of all new medicines. That’s why we do post marketing surveillance. Very rare side effects are only revealed when a drug has been used for a long time, in huge numbers of people.I don’t doubt they’re very small, still believe there will be a middle ground one day in the future and there will be shown there was more side effects then believed, this does not mean on a mass scale.
While some of the suggestions from people are insanity and ludicrous, I no longer think it’s outrageous to think we may of been coerced to some degree without the full story, this does not equate to we are all going to drop dead like flies.
No. We have an incredible amount of data already. The picture we have is very accurate in terms of serious side effects.I don’t doubt they’re very small, still believe there will be a middle ground one day in the future and there will be shown there was more side effects then believed, this does not mean on a mass scale.
Coerced? I'd really hope so.While some of the suggestions from people are insanity and ludicrous, I no longer think it’s outrageous to think we may of been coerced to some degree without the full story, this does not equate to we are all going to drop dead like flies.
That'a not really comparing apples with apples. The risk-benefit ratio for smallpox/polio vaccines is radically different to covid. Although, having said that, I do think we didn't have any choice other than to go with the aggressive vaccine roll-out we went with, due to the paralysing effects of covid on society as a whole. At an individual patient level I don't think the need to get vaccinated is quite so cut and dried. Especially for young patients. And I do think that the decision to vaccinate children doesn't look too clever with hindsight. Always easy to be wise with hindsight though...Imagine if this type of mentality was this pervasive during the global campaigns against smallpox and polio.
I'd be vaccinating my kids if I had any young ones. Universal vaccination for almost everything has such great benefit to society even of herd immunity isn't reached. IMO is should be compulsory/encouraged with making it a requirement for school enrolment and the like and particularly increase the medicare levy (or equivalent) for those who don't.That'a not really comparing apples with apples. The risk-benefit ratio for smallpox/polio vaccines is radically different to covid. Although, having said that, I do think we didn't have any choice other than to go with the aggressive vaccine roll-out we went with, due to the paralysing effects of covid on society as a whole. At an individual patient level I don't think the need to get vaccinated is quite so cut and dried. Especially for young patients. And I do think that the decision to vaccinate children doesn't look too clever with hindsight. Always easy to be wise with hindsight though...
This was the first week that I worked as a clinical doctor without mask. It feels so strange, after three years. I feel a tiny lingering anxiety getting very close to patients, not Covid specific. It just seems wrong.
I welcome seeing people faces though.
I had to take my better half to hospital for a broken finger and I was (pleasantly) surprised to see that maks for all were still compulsory.Same in Ireland. No masks (unless dealing with patient who has covid) in healthcare settings as of a week or two ago. Great to see.
No doubt if social media was around it would have been.Imagine if this type of mentality was this pervasive during the global campaigns against smallpox and polio.
Terrible opinion.I'd be vaccinating my kids if I had any young ones. Universal vaccination for almost everything has such great benefit to society even of herd immunity isn't reached. IMO is should be compulsory/encouraged with making it a requirement for school enrolment and the like and particularly increase the medicare levy (or equivalent) for those who don't.
With hindsight, I've got to say the JCVI for example made very few mistakes. Even on the things where they were mixing expediency (low vaccine stocks) with principles like greatest good for greatest number and classical immunology theory. Them opting for the longer windows between first and second vaccination, and a slow approach to vaccinating under 18s were good calls. They were fast when it mattered in terms of saving lives and slow where they could go for caution.That'a not really comparing apples with apples. The risk-benefit ratio for smallpox/polio vaccines is radically different to covid. Although, having said that, I do think we didn't have any choice other than to go with the aggressive vaccine roll-out we went with, due to the paralysing effects of covid on society as a whole. At an individual patient level I don't think the need to get vaccinated is quite so cut and dried. Especially for young patients. And I do think that the decision to vaccinate children doesn't look too clever with hindsight. Always easy to be wise with hindsight though...
Universal vaccination for almost everything where it has a major impact on the health of the child or the people around them has a great benefit to society. There's no reason to put the COVID vaccines in that category though.I'd be vaccinating my kids if I had any young ones. Universal vaccination for almost everything has such great benefit to society even of herd immunity isn't reached. IMO is should be compulsory/encouraged with making it a requirement for school enrolment and the like and particularly increase the medicare levy (or equivalent) for those who don't.
Yeah, the unnecessary use of masks and vaccines in the US is clearly politically, rather than medically, motivated. They’ve managed to make it part of their culture war.With hindsight, I've got to say the JCVI for example made very few mistakes. Even on the things where they were mixing expediency (low vaccine stocks) with principles like greatest good for greatest number and classical immunology theory. Them opting for the longer windows between first and second vaccination, and a slow approach to vaccinating under 18s were good calls. They were fast when it mattered in terms of saving lives and slow where they could go for caution.
I think that's where hindsight breaks down though - it's easy to forget the context. Fast vaccine rollout with a high uptake of a vaccine that reduced transmission and reduced severe illness was key to restarting normal life.
The misteps (around coercion in particular) were well intentioned and even they were mostly accepted as part of the cost of reopening. Individual risk factors - like past infection and youth - deserved better handling, but it's easy to see how they got sidelined in the overall drive.
Now of course we tend to see everything through the prism of Omicron. But Omicron raced through an already highly vaccinated society and the unvaccinated had mostly had at least one infection already.
Still, it grates with me that the US in particular has continued things like vaccine mandates for foreign visitors. Some colleges etc kept them in place even once they were having minimal impact on transmission and for students with no real risk factors.
Mind you, some bits of the US carried on masking little kids in schools long after we knew it was pointless.
Yes there is. Same reason flu and cervical cancer etc should be.There's no reason to put the COVID vaccines in that category though.
Not vaccinating children against covid doesn’t hurt anyone. Especially now we’re dealing with a relatively benign variant and prior infection is basically a given. Giving children vaccines they don’t need will definitely hurt children (even if only with the needle)Yes there is. Same reason flu and cervical cancer etc should be.
I wouldn't make it compulsory per se but if you don't you should pay for hurting others and the added health care costs you cause.
It wouldn't because it would protect society by further reducing transmission amongst kids, teachers and other kids families. COVID is still a huge drain on our medical services even if you just want to limit economic damage.Terrible opinion.
The risk benefit of vaccinating kids against the current (and, almost certainly, future) covid variants doesn’t add up at all. Making it mandatory for these age groups would be an awful decision. Which, thankfully, will never happen because it would be medical malpractice.
An unvaccinated kid will catch covid more often and when infected and pass it on more often to others including the most vulnerable. Teachers and child care workers die more often from covid, so anything we can do to protect them is a good idea. You have a duty for the benefits of being part of society and being vaccinated against everything is part of that. You might as well say getting the cervical cancer vaccine shouldn't be strongly encouraged (as nobody will be held down and injected). Free riding is a social evil.Not vaccinating children against covid doesn’t hurt anyone. Giving children vaccines they don’t need will definitely hurt children (even if only with the needle)
Putting pressure on children to get vaccines they don’t need would be a terrible decision. Which, as I said, nobody who understands the science is advising.
Sorry, Wibble, but you’re not doing yourself any favours here. I really don’t think you understand the science. Comparing covid vaccination in young kids with the HPV vaccine is a woeful analogy.An unvaccinated kid will catch covid more often and when infected and pass it on more often to others including the most vulnerable. You have a duty for the benefits of being part of society and being vaccinated against everything is part of that. You might as well say getting the cervical cancer vaccine shouldn't be strongly encouraged (as nobody will be hekd down and injected). Free riding is a social evil.