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I work in IT and got offered a position in Riyadh today. Nowhere close to the Mbappe money though. Greedy bastards.
,Using that logic I can imagine messi saying "pepsi paid me to film a comercial, it was so cool, I got to travel and meet nice people... what, you're telling me pepsi's image improved because of this? wow what an unintended byproduct, who could've seen it coming... for me it was just about the filming and the experience. pepsi really got me there"
The fact they're helping improve SA's image is not some weird and unintended consequence, it's the point of the whole thing, so they know very well, like we all do, that accepting that money to play football comes hand in hand with cleaning the image of one of the most horrible regimes in the world these days.
Trying to deny this is a really strange hill to die on.
I'd think that is pretty obvious to be fair but obviously not.,
You don't get it do you, the players are there to earn bucket loads of cash, they don't give a shite about the cleansing, that's the Saudi reason for doing it not the players
Edit: Would be dying on a sand dune rather than a hill!
We aren't dying on any hill. We are simply saying they don't give a feck if they improve the image of SA or not. You said they are going there to improve the image of the country. The aren't. They are going for the money. If the image improves, it improves, these players don't care.
The only factor in their decision to move is the money. They might consider how it affects their own image but they won't ever consider how it affects SA image.
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You don't get it do you, the players are there to earn bucket loads of cash, they don't give a shite about the cleansing, that's the Saudi reason for doing it not the players
Edit: Would be dying on a sand dune rather than a hill!
And I find it weird that you insist players are going to Saudi to help them cleanse their imageIt's so weird that you two seem to be able to completely dissociate a paying job from the consequences of accepting that job, especially when the goal of the employer is so clear.
I work for them because they pay me a fairly good salary for what I do, I don't care what their aim is
But that's not what maniak is saying though. He's saying the players are going to Saudi Arabia to help improve Saudi Arabia image. They aren't.But surely you can think of a situation where you would care? Would you work for a company that manufactures torture devices if the money was right?
I have, though they didn't pay me that well, you might know them as DFS - their sofas were torture devices in those daysBut surely you can think of a situation where you would care? Would you work for a company that manufactures torture devices if the money was right?
We aren't dissociating it. We are simply saying the players aren't thinking "oh maybe I will take this job in Saudi Arabia because it will help their image" - that is not a reason they are moving there.It's so weird that you two seem to be able to completely dissociate a paying job from the consequences of accepting that job, especially when the goal of the employer is so clear.
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You don't get it do you, the players are there to earn bucket loads of cash, they don't give a shite about the cleansing, that's the Saudi reason for doing it not the players
Edit: Would be dying on a sand dune rather than a hill!
And I find it weird that you insist players are going to Saudi to help them cleanse their image
I work for a large multi-national company, their goal is to provide/sell information of value, the sector I work in is medical publishing
I work for them because they pay me a fairly good salary for what I do, I don't care what their aim is
But that's not what maniak is saying though. He's saying the players are going to Saudi Arabia to help improve Saudi Arabia image. They aren't.
Rtl might very well take that job if it paid enough, but he wouldn't be doing it to improve the image of the company. He'd be doing it to improve his own bank balance.
That's the definition of dissociating, they know by going there they will improve the image of SA but because they know that would make them assholes, they set that aside and use the excuse you're using. It's all about the money. Well, obviously actions have often multiple consequences, you can't pick and choose.We aren't dissociating it. We are simply saying the players aren't thinking "oh maybe I will take this job in Saudi Arabia because it will help their image" - that is not a reason they are moving there.
It's a likely consequence however.
Is messi playing for a club owned by the us government? Is messi part of a global scheme by the us government to improve their image on multiple fronts including several sports?Has Messi moving to the US improved the image of the USA? Has everyone forgotten about our love of guns for a second? Did everyone notice, "oh shit, France is actually falling apart" after he left?
Is messi playing for a club owned by the us government? Is messi part of a global scheme by the us government to improve their image on multiple fronts including several sports?
Whataboutism was really the only thing missing here...
You can use all the green smileys and "nice try though" you want, it doesn't change the fact it's just pure whataboutism, you're not being smart, just so very predictable.so you're saying that if Al Ettifaq wasn't owned by the Saudi Arabia government then you'd have no issues with Henderson going to Saudi Arabia to play there?
Because I didn't know ownership had to be in play for "images to be improved". F1 is not owned by any ME government but races being hosted there have been classified under the "sportswashing" category. Nice try though.
It's a simple question I asked. Does "image improvement" only happen in the Middle East, and outside of that, players moving to different countries has no impact on the image of said countries?
US worldwide opinion is pretty good and most people don't care about their love of guns at all.Has Messi moving to the US improved the image of the USA? Has everyone forgotten about our love of guns for a second?
US worldwide opinion is pretty good and most people don't care about their love of guns at all.
You're arguing something else now. You originally said they are accepting the money to improve the Saudi image. They aren't. They are accepting the money to improve their bank account. Of course they know they might improve SA image. But that's not why they are doing it.That's the definition of dissociating, they know by going there they will improve the image of SA but because they know that would make them assholes, they set that aside and use the excuse you're using. It's all about the money. Well, obviously actions have often multiple consequences, you can't pick and choose.
Yes, it's likely,.but that's not why the players are going thereSo a direct question to you, do you believe all these players moving to the saudi league will improve the international image of the country? Not to political analysts, but the random joe.
This was literally my first post on the subject.You're arguing something else now. You originally said they are accepting the money to improve the Saudi image. They aren't. They are accepting the money to improve their bank account. Of course they know they might improve SA image. But that's not why they are doing it.
Evil is a strong word, but I certainly think less of people who accept money to improve the image of a criminal regime.
They aren't accepting it to improve the image of the regime though as I've said multiple timesThis was literally my first post on the subject.
Are they accepting saudi money? Yes
Are they improving the image of SA? Yes
So... yeah.
Yeah and I've explained that two things can happen at the same time, so I guess you just want to be stubborn for the sake of it, so let's leave it at that.They aren't accepting it to improve the image of the regime though as I've said multiple times
They aren't accepting it to improve the image of the regime though as I've said multiple times
So Henderson et al have decided to go and play in Saudi Arabis because they want to improve the image of the Saudi regime, no other reason?they are though so its irrelevant
bastards
So Henderson et al have decided to go and play in Saudi Arabis because they want to improve the image of the Saudi regime, no other reason?
You can use all the green smileys and "nice try though" you want, it doesn't change the fact it's just pure whataboutism, you're not being smart, just so very predictable.
If I'm not mistaken you've said before you don't believe in sportswashing (maybe I'm mistaking your for another poster) so it will be difficult to find any common ground if you don't believe in something so blatantly obvious.
As you well know, in dictatorships it's very difficult to separate state from companies, so I would argue in this specific case it wouldn't really make a difference who owns these saudi clubs. They are an obvious part of the grand plan the country has to use sports to clean their image and gain influence on the world stage. This doesn't apply to the US.
I don't know in detail the reality of formula 1, but it smells a lot like sportswashing.
Any country with an image problem can do this, it's not exclusive to the middle-east.
So a direct question to you, do you believe all these players moving to the saudi league will improve the international image of the country? Not to political analysts, but the random joe.
No, but they know that this is the primary reason for why they are being signed and are fine with it, as long as they get fat stacks of cash to play in a league that's weaker than the Norwegian top division.So Henderson et al have decided to go and play in Saudi Arabis because they want to improve the image of the Saudi regime, no other reason?
Are you being wilfully obtuse, as part of your tiresome contrarian schtick?We may see an uptick as a result of Messi's transfer. I will be staying tuned.
No, but they know that this is the primary reason for why they are being signed and are fine with it, as long as they get fat stacks of cash to play in a league that's weaker than the Norwegian top division.
Are you being wilfully obtuse, as part of your tiresome contrarian schtick?
No, but they know that this is the primary reason for why they are being signed and are fine with it, as long as they get fat stacks of cash to play in a league that's weaker than the Norwegian top division.
Are you being wilfully obtuse, as part of your tiresome contrarian schtick?
After all-time low ratings in many countries in 2020 and a sharp recovery in 2021, ratings of the U.S. remain high this year. A median of 61% across the 17 countries surveyed have a favorable view of the U.S., while only 35% have an unfavorable view.
https://www.pewresearch.org/global/...l-public-opinion-of-the-u-s-remains-positive/
Did you show that you're a 20 goal a season player for the inter-departmental tournament though?I work in IT and got offered a position in Riyadh today. Nowhere close to the Mbappe money though. Greedy bastards.
Your points are bad.If you find me tiresome you can put me on ignore. Otherwise address my points or shut the feck up and stick your file on me up your ass.
Selah.
That is the Trump effect.