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If McTominay isn’t good enough for playing in Manchester United. Then who in the team is good enough? McTominay is putting in 90+ minutes of hard work every single game. He leads the team on the pitch plus he is scoring goals.
If you’ve watched McTominay and reckon his good enough to propel us to where we would like to be, then it’s pointless having this very conversation with you, respectfully. And like I said, it says as much about McT as it does the rest of the squad as well….which really answers your question. Ps as bad as Bruno can be (& I’m one of the minority who would like us to move on from him to a more possession orientated midfield/10), he still shits all over McT the last 3-4 years.
Ah, the good old 'hard work' myth for McTominay. Amazing that it's still going after watching him just jog around so often. Defensively he does no more work than Bruno, while Bruno gets through about double the work load when we have the ball.
He hasn't consistently scored though. He's scored in 3 Prem games and 1 CL game.
I meant the stereotypical ‘knock it long and hope the big fella gets on it’ type of play. But granted Everton are on a decent little run, maybe I did them a disservice. Either way, the more he plays for us the worse it seems to get.
Except of course that’s just not true.
If he is truly our most valuable player then the transformation into Watford is complete. His work rate along with his supposed goal threat is a complete myth. Literally jogs around the place making no attempt to get back and scores the occasional goal. If he is the ‘captain on the pitch’ then no wonder we are 8th and dropping badly. Truly astonishing how standards have dropped.
That myth still exists?
Which part? You could argue the performances were better without him, I disagree but fine, but if you think he is playing CM in this system then I don't know what to say.
For this same exact advanced 8 type role, I'd take Fred every day of the week. Sigh.
I pointed this out in the matchday thread right away.
He shouldn’t be playing full stop.
The thing is that I don’t really rate McTominay as a player beeing good enough for Manchester United. But at the moment he actually is one of our most valuable players on the pitch every game.
He's not though. He's one of our worst players in almost every match, it's just that occasionally he'll score a goal or two which kind of compensates in that match.
He has scored 5 goals in United 11 latest Premier League games and is having the best season of his life so far.
He is not even close to having his best season. In terms of general performance this is probably his worst ever season. Only 21/22 was arguably worse. The fact he's scoring some goals doesn't change that.
You are obviously biased. McTominay is having an ok season. The rest of the team is not. In fact I’m having trouble to find anyone else who is doing ok so far in United this season. Dalat has been ok and Mainoo has had a good couple of games.
That’s a fair enough viewpoint, albeit I still think he’s only playing due to a lack of options (injuries to Eriksen, Casemiro, Mount etc). Even though he scores most of our goals, I actually don’t think he’s a top performer. In fact, having him in the team actually harms us as it automatically means we have zero control of the midfield. He barely makes himself available for the pass, let alone being actually able to dictate play etc. There’s also a lack of shielding for our defence with him in a midfield 2/no. 8 position. But yeah, ideally when everyone is back fit and available, we’ll start phasing him out. Maybe use him as an emergency option upfront when we need a goal late in a game.
Yup. The bold bit, it seems all United fans can see it. I had hoped that in ETH we were finally getting a manager who had a strong philosophy on how we should play, and that he would make decisions based on that. Short term sacrifice for longer term development of the team, like Pep shipping out the likes of Hart at City, or Eto'o, Zlatan and others at Barca. What's disappointed me most is that ETH has tried to accommodate players like McTominay, and whilst the odd goal might make it seem justified, long term its the wrong move.
Yeah spot on re EtH as well. I had hoped for the same. Granted he has been dealt a bit of a blow and had his hand forced (sort of) with our extensive injury list. It’s still disappointing nonetheless.
He scored 4 of those in 2 games, one was when he was on for 5 mins against Brentford and the other was against the mighty Chelsea.
This is the problem with people they only see goals. They don’t understand anything else and then they wonder why we can’t string a few passes together or have any pattern of play.
Exactly. We sacrifice so much just to hope that this guy can nick a goal.
I've been trying to explain this to so many MU and non MU fans. It doesn't matter that he's our "topscorer". He doesn't add anything to our general play. Never a good option to pass to in the middle(cause he's hiking and awful on the ball when under pressure) and he's playing way too high up the pitch to actually contribute in defence (or just too lazy, like vs WH when he couldn't be bothered to close down Paqueta before his simple over the top pass to Bowen).
Spot on. This is an issue per se, becoming a core debating point in Bruno and Rashford threads over the last months. But for McTominay it is borderline comical because we are as low scoring as it gets and notions like he is our top scorers are as misleading as it gets. He got 4 goals in 2 games ffs. In the last matches he had next to no chance made probably 2 or 3 attempts. Keeping him in the team because of his goal threat is crazy. What if Pellistri scores a hattrick today, will he be a mainstay in the team for the whole season?! I think, for some people he would.
Not just club, fanbase as well. Imagine, there are people who still carry the myth around that McTom is a hard worker or big goal threat. All of this is based on lazy comparisons against our own shitty players. Compare McTom to the players of other teams, then we could have an argument. Comparing him non-performers in our own team is like a circular reference in Excel
Yeah we really are plummeting the depths when this guy gets praised for speaking well in a post match interview and not getting injured at a particular time. The transformation into Watford is truly com
“Even though he scores most of our goals”. You make it sound like he’s peak Ronaldo or Van Nistelrooy. He literally managed to bag a couple of goals in 2 games this season. He’s never done that in any of the other 200+ games he’s played and at best his goal scoring record is extremely modest. This myth has grown this season like he’s a hard worker. Equally untrue.
not sure why you’re over analysing that throwaway comment. But yeah, he’s scored a fair amount of goals this season - he’s our top scorer isn’t he? In the league I think anyway. But yeah, I’m nowhere near his biggest admirer anyway, so I don’t really disagree with what you’re saying. He shouldn’t be anywhere near the starting XI, debatably even the squad.This 1000x, helps that Eriksen was his replacement today, but still. Looked so much better in attack without him.
