Fred resale value is probably the highest now so we might get a really good offer that would be stupid to reject. But if that doesn't happen and we get sth like 10m, then we might as well extend contract and sell him a year from now. It's not like he's declining.
Scott McTominay | Transfer discussion not performance discussion
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I’m more than convinced it will make us softer in the middle. The PL is no joke in the middle of the park, Casemiro himself said the pace is much faster than La Liga, so we can presume it’s faster than Italy also. He’ll probably struggle to adapt and mostly play in Europe or cup games, whenever or not he has what it takes to play here is open for discussion I guess.
Neither have I. The point is McTominay is not even Casemiro backup, he's a sort of supporting midfielder and we have a few of them already so it just makes sense to sell McTominay if the reports about fee are true.
To be fair, they can do a lot worse than McTomminay and Maguire. If I were a West Ham fan I’d be more than happy with those players coming in. They’ll be a mainstay for the next 3-5 years. If they think they’re going to go out and sign the next Haaland or something they need a reality check.West Ham don't seem to know what to do with all that money... well, actually they do... hopefully give the vast majority of it to us and anoint Moyes a latter day god.
Standing ovation next time he's at OT if he takes those 2 off us! Should throw in Fred and give us all of the Rice money.
How up in arms are they on West Ham forums?
Good deal for everyone. West Ham, as they are right now, are around his level. Never was a player fit for a top side, even as a squad option. Could be decent for them, though.
There’s no point in extending contracts just to sell a player. We still have to pay him wages in that time, it’s better just to release him if there’s no bidders.
That's the problem though, despite the fact we're making changes in transfer market and learning from mistakes there's hyperbole in every thread, not just transfers ones. Of course they're not spotless, on the contrary, but not all is so bad, we're making deals, moving on from targets which are nor achieveable and finally selling deadwood too. Yet you see - oh United is crap and buying, selling, negotiating, everything - posts.
No but we simply have to get him out the door now.
Historically we don’t seem to be very good at negotiating. Over the years we’ve struggled to sell players we don’t need and have often made a mess of purchases as well (Fellaini being the classic example) and, pure speculation based on media hearsay, it stems from adopting an unrealistic stance at the beginning of negotiations. Expecting to get top dollar for surplus players and trying to buy at a bargain. We’re not the only ones doing it but we haven’t got good outcomes from this strategy.
Not taking a shot at anyone in particular and I understand the sentiment but I read a lot variations of "would be good for West Ham" (insert relevant club for each player) and it betrays some of the issue. United only seems to sell down to clubs at least a tier below (no disrespect to anyone intended)... I'm sure I'm forgetting some names here but who was the last established player United sold upward or laterally to top clubs ? Lukaku ? I see a few names that's would qualify in Transfermarkt (Di Maria, Welbeck...) but it's infrequent. The players are not just up to that level or have been rotting so long at the long end of the bench they appear stagnant.
West Ham is relatively a rich club but I think it's going to be hard to do really good business for United with them.
That said while 45m£ is too much for McTominay, it's not outrageously so. Not unrealistic starting point for negociations. Certainly the most valuable player that may be in the shop's window.
West Ham is relatively a rich club but I think it's going to be hard to do really good business for United with them.
That said while 45m£ is too much for McTominay, it's not outrageously so. Not unrealistic starting point for negociations. Certainly the most valuable player that may be in the shop's window.
You'd like to think they can do a lot better too - from their fan perspective - not that I'm complaining in the slightest. Moyes comes full circle and benefits us with his near-sightedness.
But, yeah, theoretically, it could actually prove to be a sterling pair to purchase, which would make Moyes a shrewd, genial man on top of a saviour.
Personally I wouldn't dive into that topic, Fred has been out of ETH favour (despite having his best season yet) and is most likely gone this summer anyway.
That’s fair enough but he’s played 1 season and hasn’t been able to get first team football since. I remember not so long ago Lingard looking like prime Ronaldinho for that 1 season at West Ham as well
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45 million pounds for Scott is quite fair in today's market.
This is not the United way of doing things. If we offer them a new contract, we protect their value for the future, just like we did with Phil Jones, Bailly etc.
£25m would be a good deal for us. £45m is almost double that, imo it is a bit outrageous as a starting point.
It looks like Fred is more likely to be sold than McTominay. I think Scott only goes if he pushes for a move or we receive a big offer. ten Hag likes him as a back up option.
West Ham should go for somebody like Zubimendi. They should look to improve as a team with their big windfall from Rice - signing McTominay will just send them backwards. He's a nothing player.
Zubimendi has a 60m euro release clause, they should be testing the waters.
Zubimendi has a 60m euro release clause, they should be testing the waters.
Any evidence this happening then?
Alvarez is ours if we want him.
You mean like formally employed Woodward did?
What I think is irrelevant - he is worth what someone is willing to pay. Is he worth as much as Mount - probably not. Should he cost a lot less than say - Conor Gallacher - probably not.
But if Havertz cost £65m, Barnes and Maddison (from a relegated side) cost £38m and 40m respectively and Declan Rice cost £105 m - to name some transferred midfielders in his age-range - then I would say his value should be in the range of £40-50m. What in your opinion is the correct fee in todays market for a guy who is 26 years old, whose contract isn't running down - and who has played on average close to 30 league games for United over the last 4 seasons ?
Used correctly - McTominay can be a very efficient midfielder - if that team is Man United under ETH is a another matter. But he has been used regularly by Mourinho, OGS, Rangnick and ETH - so clearly he is not shite, or is it your opinion that these 4 managers are clueless ?
But players with 200+ games for United and 40 caps for Scotland are rarely shite.
Exactly
When he was playing regularly for us, he was one of the reasons we didn’t do better. Him and Fred cost us a lot of points with their poor possession play especially at the end of games - they could not cope with aggressive fight-backs. We drew a lot of games from winning positions. Ole had little choice but to play them. It didn’t work out.
Was one of the best players in one of the last game he started for us.
Abysmal is way too extreme, sometimes he was good, mostly he wasn't great, but then he was in and out of the team.
Rice was sub par all season and just went for 105m
Some people like McT. It’s hard to say why. I used to hope he would develop the weaker parts of his game and turn himself into a very good no6. He has some of the right attributes. But it’s clear that will never happen. He could be a decent no8 depending on what you want from your no8. If you want to keep the ball and pass through midfield then he is not your man and never will be.
If us being close to signing Amrabat is true, then we will sell Mctominay almost certainly. That probably includes Fred and VDB as well. Need money coming in to balance ffp.
If West Ham can bid £45m for Conor Gallagher then McTominay should be going for a similar amount.
We live on another plant. Take £30m and run.
If he doesn't get some minutes tonight, is that a sign he's ready to go? Or how would you guys interpret him playing or not?
Yeah, probably we could get £30m because his wages are manageable.
So if we said he's available for £30m, how much do you think West Ham would offer?
I imagine we'd settle on £30/35m + add ons.
I haven’t looked at the story too much but it seems quite telling that we have United-focussed journos telling the story from West Ham’s perspective. Motivated sellers.
I mean there were people on this forum that said we should snap PSG's hand off for £20m for Marcus Rashford last summer... so yeah...
Rice is on a different planet to McTominay.
Good lord.
Indeed. Some of the takes in this thread are outrageous.
McTominay isn’t even good enough to be a squad player here. Squad players come in when the likes of Bruno and Casemiro are out and ensure the team doesn’t drop off a cliff.
People hankering for £40 million need to ask themselves: if Casemiro is out for the season, what happens to our midfield? Does McTominay fill that gap adequately?
We all know the answer. It’s likely the difference between finishing top four or not.
Take anything around £30 million and bring in some proper cover for Casemiro.
I’ve seen plenty of McTominay to know he’s not good enough for United. He had less involvement last season because he hides in games and not good enough on the ball. He thrives in games when we set up defensively, he’s perfect for West Ham in that respect. If we want to progress our football he needs to be moved on.
Why would we sell anyone upwards or laterally? If we are selling someone good enough for any team on our level or doing better than us, then something's gone horribly wrong or we've got a squad overflowing with talent (which I can't see happening in the immediate future).
You don't low-ball when you're the selling club mate. We'll be negotiated down from £45m.
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