Thank Goodness David Moyes team don't need to be with the ball often to play.
So he'll fit right in, they play to his strength by being a counter attack or hoof ball team.
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So he'll fit right in, they play to his strength by being a counter attack or hoof ball team.
That's what negotiation is for. You dont set the lowest price for a start.
40m for him would be a lovely deal. I like the guy but also think he could have a decent career in a club like West Ham. We could use him still next season, but we could also use the money even more I reckon.
How so, please don't tell me you rate midfielders on how many goals they score. Kids a headless chicken with a good shot on him.
Our negotiators are crap at negotiating. If we are asking £45m most clubs will walk away without evening starting a conversation. The bar is set too high.
Think McTominay is the perfect midfielder for a Moyes side. He's strong and physical, can run through the 90 mins, good in the air and can score about 8-10 goals in a season. He's quite poor on the ball, especially from a possession and build up perspective but that's not something that Moyes needs. He can very well be a significant upgrade on Soucek and I think we should stick to our asking price.
Oh I forgot, everything is crap with our football club.
Yup.
And i know there is this whole 'the forum isnt one voice' thing, but we really do see extremes on here.
I totally agree. He is someone Moyes would appreciate a lot as someone who is strong and physical and can keep the midfield always in motion. Moyes was never a fan of beautiful passing football, but rather physical and McT. is this. Apart from that, Moyes would be glad to get the first Scottish player after some years again during his era
All in all, it would be a win-win situation for both parties.Everyone keeps talking up his goalscoring... but we're talking about a player who has 19 goals in 209 appearances for United.
Yeah yeah he played in a deeper position quite a lot but still, it feels like we're extrapolating his goalscoring prowess based on a couple of games against Leeds United. He's yet to score more than 7 goals in a single season - regularly getting 8-10 seems a bit of a stretch, even if he is allowed more freedom to go forward.
If he's played to his strength, he will do very well at a team of West Ham's level. To the point you'll get people making posts on here saying "where was this McTominay for us???" you might even get the odd "why did we sell him, we're clueless".
Pricing a player out of a move by sticking an unrealistic valuation on him that no club will pay can very much contribute to a club being bad at selling players.
If we got 25-30m for McT, that would be a massive success. That is by no means a bad sale.
If you set a 25-30m price from a get go that could end up at lets say 15-20. And then we'd again hear cries of how did we get so little for our player again,
We just saw this with Mount as well. Chelsea started high, Utd started low and they met somewhere in the middle.
Exactly.
Seems we've set a 45m price for Scott. Hopefully we get offered in the 35-40 range. Good on us.
... For Crystal Palace.
I think people on here will be surprised by how good McT would be for a mid table PL team.
He is less than half of what they got for Rice. I think 40-45m is a fair price when you consider those deals together: 60m + McT = Rice.
Scotty is a good player and I can see him having a good Premier League career. Someone with his age, attributes, and versatility is definitely worth, as a minimum, £35m in today's market. I can see us letting him go for approximately £40m.
He can't ve any worse than what he has shown at United recently. Last year (bar the first few games) he was abysmal
We know they have that Muller Corner money so let's get some of it.
Accurate
He isn't 27 though, he's 26. And Amrabat isn't younger, he's 4 months older.
If you're going to offer a really forthright opinion on a player, it helps to get the most basic facts about them right.
I think there is some gamesmanship going on here. By increasing the price of McT....you can reduce the price of meme McG.
No manager wants to spend a big amount on Maguire...but if he spends it on a young, international midfielder then that's ok.
United recover £70m on the Maguire purchase error, West ham get 2 players, one 'valued' at £45m and pick up Maguire for 'just' £25m. A bargain purchase!
No manager wants to spend a big amount on Maguire...but if he spends it on a young, international midfielder then that's ok.
United recover £70m on the Maguire purchase error, West ham get 2 players, one 'valued' at £45m and pick up Maguire for 'just' £25m. A bargain purchase!
Might want to do a bit of fact checking as well.
Might also want to watch football games too...
He is part of the reason our midfield doesn't control games but he wasnt first choice?
How many Serie A games have you watched Amrabat play btw?
What's of more value to the club?
McTominay participating in a couple dozen or so games off the bench. Probably significantly less if we sign Amrabat.
£30m to invest in one extra player?
If you think pricing him out of a move is fair then you must think he'll bring a lot of value to the team if he stays.
McTominay participating in a couple dozen or so games off the bench. Probably significantly less if we sign Amrabat.
£30m to invest in one extra player?
If you think pricing him out of a move is fair then you must think he'll bring a lot of value to the team if he stays.
Do we intend to sell both McTominay and Fred this season? I can see why we're asking 45m for McTominay if we intend to sell Fred since it's not a priority sale area for us and McTominay is a decent backup and also not a caustic presence in the dressing room.
As asking prices for midfielders now go, I feel 40/45 million is a fair price for McTominay. We tend to be too cheap when selling players. Get the money for him and spend it wisely.
The value of the player depends on how much West Ham are prepared to pay for him, it’s not dependant on how much he plays for United. This is a sellers market.
McTomminay is not as good as Rice, but the gap between them isn’t more than 50%, which is what you’re evaluating him at. He can absolutely do the job Rice was doing.
West Ham have the money and they have tried to rinse us for Rice for seasons now but low ball us for players like Lingard. If you conduct your business in this way then expect the same to happen to you when you’re looking to buy players that teams don’t really want to sell.
West Ham can find £40m from the Rice sale or from their European winnings last season. They’ve got it, they just don’t want to part with it. Tough shit isn’t it? Alternatively they can shop around in the championship or relegation fodder in the PL for players instead.
£40m or £45m (incl add-ons) is £10m too much.
West Ham will walk away. Players like Alvarez, Sangare and Zakaria are available for less than that.
West Ham will walk away. Players like Alvarez, Sangare and Zakaria are available for less than that.
West Ham sign McT - and we throw in Maguire for free!
I understand why people think Utd are awful in the market, they have been for years! And it's not so easy to trust that Murtough will turn things around when he is going to be associated with the Glazers, through Arnold. It's not like they're spotless either, like the De Jong saga last year dragging on for far too long, but they appear to be learning from their mistakes (hence moving on so quickly from Kane to another target this year).
I'm prepared to give the club the benefit of the doubt. I suspect a lot of other people aren't, hence the hyperbolic responses in every transfer thread.
If we are getting Amrabat, then no point in keeping McTominay. Fred I'd think twice about getting rid of, as Eriksen isn't exactly a perfect backup player. A lot depends on how we see Mainoo role this season. Plus Fred being on the last year is a bit problematic.
The only time West Ham will sign any of those players is in Football Manager.
Isn' that where David Moyes get his ideas?
There’s no way we’re going to offer Fred a new contract so it makes sense to sell him. McTomminay isn’t really for sale unless the right offer comes in, which means we’ve probably got other players lined up. There will surely be a plan at this point.
Isn' that where David Moyes get his ideas?
Could be! Rooney talked about it this week and said he pays the FM team for their scouting database, and he said Mourinho did also, which is why he had FM on his laptop during his press conferences while at Tottenham.I haven't seen Amrabat play much except in the world cup - would be really be a "significant" upgrade over McTominay that it's worth doing this? I know McTominay gets a lot of flak here, some of it deserved but a lot of it not, but unless Amrabat is leaps and bounds ahead, neither will be first teamers and it won't make sense to swap backups, especially when one is home grown.
West Ham don't seem to know what to do with all that money... well, actually they do... hopefully give the vast majority of it to us and anoint Moyes a latter day god.
Standing ovation next time he's at OT if he takes those 2 off us! Should throw in Fred and give us all of the Rice money.
How up in arms are they on West Ham forums?
Standing ovation next time he's at OT if he takes those 2 off us! Should throw in Fred and give us all of the Rice money.
How up in arms are they on West Ham forums?
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