Agreed. Ship him out asap, another one never good enough for us and can be upgraded quite comfortably. What a fantastic summer if we manage to sell all of Fred, Mctominay and Maguire, 3 players who sum up our years of mediocrity..
Scott McTominay | Transfer discussion not performance discussion
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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McTominay value is mostly as a body winning headers, throwing himself to block/tackle etc. This might be a bit harsh but his physical attributes are his main value for us. Pretty sure this is the only reason we're holding for more money for him. And losing him might force us to replace him with player of similar attributes. Not sure if Amrabat is that player (I just don't know what he is).
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Right, and if nobody pays 30m for Henderson, he stays too because ‘the club want to keep him’. Scott McTominay is not our Moises Caicedo - he is an available player and would not be a hostile sale to West Ham. They made a reasonable offer, no other suitors have come forward, and the player is for sale while we have our own targets to bring in. It doesn’t serve us to scare every buyer off. This isn’t Rashford we’re talking about where we’d just say ‘200m’ because he isn’t really for sale.
I think people are addicted to moaning
Is West Ham's midfield Soucek-Alvarez-JWP? Does that mean they are out of the McTominay race? 
Almost certainly.Is West Ham's midfield Soucek-Alvarez-JWP? Does that mean they are out of the McTominay race?
Forest have also announced the signing of Turner. So no deal for DeanIs West Ham's midfield Soucek-Alvarez-JWP? Does that mean they are out of the McTominay race?
Newcastle will be back in for McTominay is my guess. If West Ham were the only suitor for him I think we may have accepted what they offered but we know that there must be more interest out there for him.
He would be a fantastic rotation option with Joelinton and would offer a lot of the same things. Perhaps even slightly better and if Newcastle want to be back in the CL next season they are going to need more than what they currently have.
He would be a fantastic rotation option with Joelinton and would offer a lot of the same things. Perhaps even slightly better and if Newcastle want to be back in the CL next season they are going to need more than what they currently have.
Is West Ham's midfield Soucek-Alvarez-JWP? Does that mean they are out of the McTominay race?
No it doesn't, they're still after another midfielder by all accounts. Soucek has been shite for ages.
By what accounts?
Tiktok accounts maybe
Moyes wouldn't have the feintest idea what to do with a player like Fred.
I hope theyre still in for McTominay because he would suit them. Doesnt want to be on the ball much, likes to get stuck in to tackles, not great at passing but can carry the ball forward well on the counter.
I dont think we are moving for Amrabat, if we dont sell McT.
Cant believe why no other club is in for Dean Henderson. Should have sold him when we had the chance.
McTominay is better than the first two IMO. They will need another quality midfielder although it they think the first three are good to start, they won’t spend north of 30m for a backup.Is West Ham's midfield Soucek-Alvarez-JWP? Does that mean they are out of the McTominay race?
Would Mctominay want to swap siting on the bench for us to do the same at Newcastle?.
I find it hard to believe Newcastle will make a bid for him, they’ve been linked with so many midfielders and I’m sure they have much better options.
No-one is paying £45million for McTom. He'll stay here which is massively frustrating when better options are out there and it stops us moving forward in that area. He'll literally warm the bench all season and be sold for £20million if we're lucky next summer.
The biggest concern for me is that Fred is only likely to get us £10million at best and I don't see DVB moving permanently, more a loan with option to buy. That means a deal for Amrabat may be too much.
The biggest concern for me is that Fred is only likely to get us £10million at best and I don't see DVB moving permanently, more a loan with option to buy. That means a deal for Amrabat may be too much.
Newcastle are stretched with FFP and Everton don't have the means. I think he's staying.
I know people are saying we should stick to our value of 40m+ but that's a form of loss aversion bias, if no one is willing to match it.
He will barely play this season and by next year would be a 27-year-old player who has spent two seasons on the bench. How much are we going to ask for then?
I hope a team comes in for him but I can't see it.
We will ‘stick to our guns’ and then sell him (or more likely loan him) to Roma late in the window for half of what West Ham offered us.
The goalkeeper market is a buyers market currently. There are so many decent ones out there. A team only needs 1 good goalkeeper anyway. His salary doesn't help and the fact that he has come back from injury. We should have made last seasons loan an obligation to buy, he got injured at forest now we are stuck with him.
I think it is a different situation over there, there is a straight swap option with him and Joelinton and he can be useful in other positions in the midfield for them. He is the defacto first sub if Howe rates him as much as it is intimated. He likely gets a sizeable increase on his salary also.
If he stays here he is maybe the 3rd bench option behind Amrabat and Mainoo, possibly even Mejbri if the recent reports of ten Hag being impressed and wanting him to stay are true. It's the difference between 10-15 and 30-35 appearances + more money. Scott seems smart enough to know which of those to pick.
More frighteningly I think we'll keep hold of him.
And barely play him, despite him being such a ‘valued member of the squad’.
And you are terrible at understanding football. That really isn't a difficult question either
It’s just a bit silly to think this, if you genuinely do. It’s just obviously not true. Is he top level? Nah.
There have been so many matches where we have had 8-9 players in defense at the end of games - and McT time and time again won important headers to bail us out. And yes - he also messed up a few times like Chelsea away. But your argumentation is a bit flawed - because you seem to assume that all teams play out from the back. I agree - McT isn't ideal in a team that does exactly that - but West Ham rarely do. McTominay used in a Soucek-role for West Ham would be good for them.
I hardly kicks a ball 39 app last season and 37 season before.
Looks like west ham went for ward prowes of southampton instead, McTominay won't be needed anymore.
They’re not really similar?
I don't think we actively want to sell McTominay.
We'll keep a lookout for an "offer we can't refuse" but won't lose sleep if we don't get one.
If McTominay was really likely to go to West Ham, he'd have been bundled as part of the Maguire deal.
We'll keep a lookout for an "offer we can't refuse" but won't lose sleep if we don't get one.
If McTominay was really likely to go to West Ham, he'd have been bundled as part of the Maguire deal.
And I don't even think he's a good tackler. When he's forced to, we normally concede a foul.
Casemiro, McTominay, Eriksen, Mount, Bruno, Mejbri, Mainoo.
That's 7 midfielders for 3 positions, we will not move for another midfielder if we dont sell McTominay.
That's 7 midfielders for 3 positions, we will not move for another midfielder if we dont sell McTominay.
Yes, obviously it's somewhat hyperbolic. He's a professional footballer in the Premier League so he's in the top, what, 1% worldwide. In that sense, he's not terrible. But in the context of the very highest level, he absolutely is. His technique, game intelligence, awareness are far below the required standard and his passing, which should be extremely important for a central midfielder, is poor.
He just doesn't offer anything that's worth 40m. He's exactly the sort of player that you can find a job for if he's already in the squad but paying huge money to get, what? Running and effort? If you pay such significant money for a footballer, he should have at least one outstanding attribute, like Ward-Prowse's set pieces or Fellaini's famous chest control. McTominay has nothing like that - he isn't outstanding even at his supposed strengths. I cannot believe that West Ham or any other Premier League club can't pluck someone like him out of their academy. Or pick up on the cheap from elsewhere. There are plenty of average footballers that don't cost 40m.
So 5 midfielders for 3 position...you can't realistically count Hannibal and Mainoo (they are babies in the professional game)
Oh come on
I rather give his slot in the squad toHannibal.
He isn’t brilliant at anything related to football.
Id back Scott at the right setup to score around 10 goals a season.
Hope we still get McT sold. Amrabat will be a welcome addition but my understanding is that he'll be more a Fred replacement to start with Casemiro in tougher games rather than covering for Casemiro when suspended or injured. McT being the Casemiro back up was a massive issue last season in my opinion, so think getting a replacement for McT is quite important.
Fred, DVB and McT out for Amrabat, Mainoo and a back up DM would be a great upgrade of our depth in midfield.
Fred, DVB and McT out for Amrabat, Mainoo and a back up DM would be a great upgrade of our depth in midfield.
Casemiro and Bruno will start every week when fit and available (or not suspended).
Eriksen and Mount will be rotated in their position depending on who is in the better form at that moment in time.
I personally don't see Mejbri or Mainoo breaking into the team this year. Fans always get carried away in preseason with younger prospects. When push comes to shove in the league, I think we'll more than likely play it safe and bring somebody else in. They may get a small number of minutes here and there, but that'll be extremely limited.
This then leaves the question marks around players like Fred and McTominay. VDB is already gone, in my eyes. It's a case of whether we can upgrade on Fred and McTominay and get in players who are better than them and who can be trusted to come into the side and either offer us something different, or provide cover for when one of the 'main four' isn't available.
This all implies that everyone will be fit, which they won't be. If Casemiro picks up an injury that rules him out for x amount of time, we need cover for that position.
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